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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
CaHoHoHootz · 16/12/2012 19:31

There may well be installments for the rest of OP's life. Sad

If SIL is the same type of vindictive cow as one of mine

CatPussRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 16/12/2012 19:37

I've just caught up with this thread! BLOODY CHEEKY COW! If I was the OP, I would NOT be speaking to her again! Shock

nkf · 16/12/2012 19:42

You sound very calm and reasonable. The text you sent back was well judged, I think. Now, I hope you can put it all behind you and enjoy your Christmas.

pingu2209 · 16/12/2012 19:43

So you didn't apologised and decided to have Christmas Day at home without the MIL (sadly). Well done you. I'm pleased you didn't back down. How has your husband been? Has he backed you?

nkf · 16/12/2012 19:46

You have avoided the stand off/backing down/high horse route which must have been tempting. The only extra thing I think you could have done is made it clear how hurtful it is to hear one's children described as robots. I think that was an unpleasant thing to say and hear.

DowagersHump · 16/12/2012 19:52

And I think you've handled the situation admirably Shiny - I don't think I would have been nearly so restrained if someone had called my children robots

WhereYouLeftIt · 16/12/2012 19:53

Shiny, I'd be waiting and watching for her next 'move' if I were you, because IMO, something is afoot.

Your SIL has now indulged in two VERY provocative acts - the first being the dis-invitation, and the second, when you didn't immediately grovel and apologise, a text which attacked your children. You have now failed to respond in kind a second time. I think she'll have a third stab at you to try and provoke you again.

SauvignonBlanche · 16/12/2012 19:54

I can't believe how restrained you have managed to be, well done! Xmas Grin

Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 19:57

DH has said he won't back down when he speaks to her, and if she starts he will just keep saying, "well it was you who said we were not invited". He also says if she mentions the restaurant, he will tell her her children's behaviour was unacceptable.

We'll see...... and I am sure I haven't heard the last of it. No response to my last text anyway.

OP posts:
Lottikins · 16/12/2012 19:57

I haven't read all 20 pages (!) but can I just say that I have 6 children and for some children this age it is impossible to sit nicely at the table (my DS1 at that age!) for very long whereas my DD3 and DD4 would have had no trouble whatsoever.
I think you did the right thing by stopping them running round the table before they caused an accident or got burned. Iam just wondering why the tot burt into tears? there was no need to tell them off, you could have just stopped him and distracted him! similarly I don't se why your DH took it upon himself to follow the 5 yr old into the bar area.It really was NOHB!

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 19:57

If anyone had called my kids robots they would be wearing their teeth as anal ornaments. xxx

chinam · 16/12/2012 20:03

If anyone had called my kids robots they would be wearing their teeth as anal ornaments. xxx
BaublesAndCuntingCarolSingers I would drive to hers now and kick her square in the cunt.

Two of the funniest things I've read on MM. Op, well done to you. Enjoy a stress free Xmas day.

CabbageLeaves · 16/12/2012 20:04

I think forcing the we're a happy family is what often causes very unhappy families. Accept that a bit of space will be good for the relationship but make that break in a way that won't fuel a rift. I think randomness has some good advice.

I'd be tempted to bite...... but it's unhelpful in the long run :)

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 20:05

chinam, we have a tres lovely Xmas here at our house, they do not dare be difficult!!! Xmas Grin

NamingOfParts · 16/12/2012 20:08

Lottikins, perhaps you should have read all the pages before posting!

SiL invited herself to the dinner, OP did not drag her out of her home to be there. If the DCs couldnt cope with a dinner then that was SiL's decision to be there.

Small children cry when they are stopped from doing whatever the hell they want. The children were told to sit down. They didnt want to hence tears.

As the OP posted, the bar area was not suited to small children. OP's DH 'took it upon himself' because SiL couldnt be bothered.

SauvignonBlanche · 16/12/2012 20:11

I'm hope your DH is gong to bring up how unacceptable her 'robots' comment was?

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 20:12

similarly I don't se why your DH took it upon himself to follow the 5 yr old into the bar area.It really was NOHB!

He did that because his DS decided to sit on her arse and not get her child from a packed bar area full of strangers.

Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 20:19

I do find this "none of your business" attitude strange. My DH's niece ran off into a busy bar area, which also included the main door, which was out of sight, the child could have easily have gone outside into the town centre, or she could have wandered into the gents. Her mum did not seem concerned, in fact my DH said "your DC has just gone into the bar", to which she said "oh she'll find her way back once she gets bored", however my DH felt she should not be in that area and retrieved her. But he should have minded his own business?

It makes me wonder how far some posters would go in minding their own business if they saw a child at potential risk? Is it ok because her mum is not bothered, to just let the child carry on until injured/lost?/abducted?

OP posts:
Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 20:24

He says if she raises the restaurant and is still saying I should apologise he will raise it, but otherwise he wants to ignore as he feels it was a deliberately inflammatory comment. he did tell MIL about the robot comment, but I doubt she'll be brave enough to mention it.

Actually I would prefer to keep it in reserve for a cutting response to any future digs from SIL.

OP posts:
dreamingofsun · 16/12/2012 20:25

so are adults out eating, or drinking in a bar are supposed to accept toddlers running around then? because their mother thinks its good for their personalities? stuff that - i'd go to a play area if thats what i wanted.

when children have been abducted over the years and terrible things happen to them, people have tutted because no adult went to help, or check why they were wandering around unsupervised. I can't see that this is any different.

clam · 16/12/2012 20:25

Don't worry about it, shiney. Most of us sensible ones are with you!

takataka · 16/12/2012 20:29

Jesus Pessary YES! Grin when it comes to parenting, YES!! especially those first years; my opinions changed all the time...its a massively steep learning curve. Or it was for me. I was just pondering yesterday on how I have changed since I had kids, and how much I have learnt about all sorts of stuff...

takataka · 16/12/2012 20:32

as for 'who cares?' ...its her huusbands sister and mother of her childrens cousins....so OP might care. One day

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 20:34

takataka and yet you are swift to judge OP who has not hurt DNs and has tried to keep them safe, who has had deranged SIL cow referring to her DCs as robots??? Why????!!

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 20:35

OP cares too much now AFAICS TBH