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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
BluelightsAndSirens · 16/12/2012 15:29

Good luck, please do update and let us know if you get to have a freaky robot Christmas at home Smile

BluelightsAndSirens · 16/12/2012 15:33

I wouldn't be rude, controlled and calm works much better, something the SIL is probably unable to achieve because its not a skill she is teaching to her DC.

HelpOneAnother · 16/12/2012 15:34

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AmberSocks · 16/12/2012 15:36

i still dont agree with discipining other peoples kids but i do think she sounds like a twat,let her know your not sprry and you are staying at home this year.

Shelby2010 · 16/12/2012 15:43

Unbelievable.

Don't let DH reply until tomorrow. Either she's the kind of person who will get wound up by being ignored (passive-aggressive), or she might actually re-think what she has said (unlikely).

Blu · 16/12/2012 15:44

I would be furious by that text.

But...what lljjkk said, and calming down is good. Once I had got all the fantasy replies out of my system, and talked it through with DH, because it is after all his family, I would perhaps say:

"Thanks for the text. In fact I am not particulary stressed at work, (or " although I am indeed a bit stressed at work "), I was stressed at the idea of * getting hurt. It was probably out of your eyeline, but he had already crashed into a waitress carrying...and I didn't want him to get something hot tipped on him, but I'm sorry if you were upset at me intevening. I didn't realise you felt like that about our children.That's quite upsetting. Why don't you and DH have a chat about how to make Christmas work best for everyone? "

Good luck!

SauvignonBlanche · 16/12/2012 15:45

Good answer Blu.

Alisvolatpropiis · 16/12/2012 15:48

That text message! Shock

Are you sure she's a really likeable person?

HelpOneAnother · 16/12/2012 15:54

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GreatUncleEddie · 16/12/2012 16:10

I agree that your DH has to be the one to reply. But if you do, how about "thank you very much for the invitation, but we would prefer to stay at home"

MooncupGoddess · 16/12/2012 16:14

Well, the good news is that after that appalling text the moral high ground is all yours! If you talk to your MIL, try to take the 'more in sorrow than in anger' tack... it will make you look lovely and reasonable, in stark contrast to your SIL.

Sarraburd · 16/12/2012 16:32

Think the thread went a bit off tangent, as really the AIbU was not so much about the disciplining (although that was the title) but about whether OP was BU not to apologise, for the sake of MIL, DH and family harmony.

Yes, fine to remove DN out of danger (especially for the poor waitress) perhaps a little U to speak firmly to DN, but given this is straw that broke camel's back in a long string of incidents, I can quite see that enough was enough.

But now the situation has moved on.

Have to say in the light of that awful and incredibly insulting and childish text no way would I be depending CD together - need time to calm down on both sides - but would be wary of escalating situation further because of MIL - and because it's what SIL wants, and I would just love to annoy her by being on the moral high ground.

ReallyNotTotallyStupidPromise · 16/12/2012 16:33

Mum has told me you are busy at work and stressed, so I am prepared to forgive and forget about you upsetting DC on Thursday. I know they were running around, but I prefer my children to have personalities, not be little robots like yours. See you on Christmas Day, come about 11am. SIL x

Well done you for showing some self control and not texting back with something possibly regrettable further down the line.

However, I would want to 'jointly' write the reply from DH - making sure it has the 'tone' and 'msg' right. He sounds too lenient on her 'oh just ignore her' etc to be left alone to do this.

Sarraburd · 16/12/2012 16:35

Spending, not depending, CD together! Damn autocorrect.

Oh and yes your DH should handle it from now on. You, just smile and wave...

BaublesAndCuntingCarolSingers · 16/12/2012 16:35

I would drive to hers now and kick her square in the cunt.

NamingOfParts · 16/12/2012 16:37

'Thanks for the invitation but the children need to recharge their batteries so we will be having a quiet Christmas Day at home'

Then your DH needs to have words with his DM about not interfering.

Sarraburd · 16/12/2012 16:39

Agreed ReallyNot, perhaps a bit of sock puppetry is in order.

Generally I feel it's best to avoid text and meet/phone, but perhaps not possible here.

AllDirections · 16/12/2012 16:40

If she was just a friend I'd be tempted to send her the link to this thread after that text message BUT she's family so that's probably not a great plan Grin

NamingOfParts · 16/12/2012 16:40

Sadly, SiL probably does compare her 'spirited' children with the OP's and thinks that her own have so much more personality. OP & SiL are looking at each other across a chasm.

zipzap · 16/12/2012 16:42

I would be furious with MIL and SIL.

however, I would be quite tempted to pretend that you didn't see her text message until about 11.45 on Christmas Day, and then send one that's very jolly saying:
'Oops! Just seen this, if only you'd rung to double check. Didn't realise that you'd wanted to change plans yet again - when you said you didn't want us at your house until we apologised, we sorted out a nice grown up Christmas here at home (sorry but Granny's meal made me realise that it upsets me when grown ups don't care if their own children or others get hurt in some bizarre notion that a child is running wild = a child with personality). I told MIL quite explicitly that not only did I not intend to apologise but I was actually quite surprised that you expected one. I told MIL that I thought that you were the one that should apologise to her for letting the kids 'express their personality' and thereby ruining her special meal and to the restaurant and other diners for upsetting their meals and particularly the waitress who nearly had a serious accident caused by your dc.

Then she is the one that's left with lots of egg on her face (and turkey dinners in the freezer!)

OK so in reality probably just dream about sending the latter bit and just send the first bit - but always best to compose as many texts as you can to get all the feelings out before finally writing the actual one that needs to be more controlled and less vitriolic than mine Grin

And with regard to their dc smashing up hard-made your dc's lego, I'd ask them if I could see their favourite toy and then start to smash it up to. And when SIL asked what on earth I was doing, I'd explain that I just wanted to play with his toy, just like he wanted to play with my ds's lego. OK again probably one to dream about rather than to do in reality but think how fantastic your dc would think you were if you did that for him Grin

I'd also want to explain to MIL in no uncertain terms that I was very very upset by her apologising to SIL when I explicitly didn't want to apologise to SIL because I didn't think I was in the wrong.

mrsscoob · 16/12/2012 16:49

Have you replied yet OP or confronted the MIL? I would be raging in your situation. I am unsure what I would do, I think i would be torn between telling her to go fuck herself or trying to take the moral high ground. I think I would be tempted in the first instance to forward text to MIL and ask for her thoughts? To see if she can explain herself.

BaublesAndCuntingCarolSingers · 16/12/2012 16:50

I would say "Of course we'd love to come on christmas day!"

Then ring her 20minutes before lunch is served saying "Sorry we can't make it; the robots are having a malfunction."

clam · 16/12/2012 16:51

So, supposing being stressed at work had been your excuse for "upsetting" her pfbs, what's her excuse for upsetting you by being rude about your dcs' personalities?

Sarraburd · 16/12/2012 16:53

Still can't get over that text.

The more I think about it, the more certain I am that actually what SIL wants is a huge blazing row and MIL and CD to be mineminemine for evermore.

Well done for not replying despite extreme provocation.

Arithmeticulous · 16/12/2012 16:54

"Sorry we can't make it; the robots are having a malfunction."

Oh my - that's classic.

What has your DH done?