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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
dreamingofsun · 16/12/2012 14:34

clam - but she's going to think she's in the right whatever the OP texts.

i think husband texting is good idea (checking with OP content first). along lines of 'thanks for the text. I guess we have to accept we have different parenting techniques and expectations of our kids. we appreciate invite for christmas but we will be spending it at home this year.'

and just leave it at that. I would never go to a restaurant again with her and her kids or anywhere else where they were expected to behave. And if SIL moaned i would site this as an example, smiling nicely of course.

ravenAK · 16/12/2012 14:39

Yes -as dreamingofsun says, if nothing else you now have the perfect excuse not to involve her in any meals out you arrange: 'Oh good lord no, not after that time just before Xmas! You know we'll only end up falling out again!'

I have friends with similar parenting ideas. They know exactly why they won't be invited for an overnight house party at ours ever again, & they can huff all they want about it...

alcazar · 16/12/2012 14:40

You musnt forget that she is still family so I wouldnt cut all ties yet if it can be avoided. I would not apologise either, she sounds like a nob. You should send her a message (or phone her) and say something like, " dear sil, my children are not robots, I find that deeply hurtful for you to insult your nieces/ nephews so personally. I am not sorry for sitting your children down as dh and I were concerned for their safety. It was not intended to upset them or be a slur on your parenting. Unfortunately we have now made alternative plans for Christmas day but dh will pop round with gifts for you and we will see you all soon. passive aggressive smiley" This way you are the bigger person, rise above her pettiness, it will bite her on her lazy bum when they are older!

ImNotCute · 16/12/2012 14:40

"Why should the SIL not know that her rude, bitchy and extremely unpleasant text has made the OP not want to go to hers for Christmas - particularly after having been dis-invited in the first place."

You are absolutely right clam, just if it was me I would try to rise above it a little and maintain moral high ground. This could descend into a huge rift with possibility of history being rewritten with op as the difficult one.

ShotgunNotDoingThePans · 16/12/2012 14:42

I agree with Takataka. This whole meal may have been a pita and a stressful experience for everyone but your SIL, but disciplining someone else's child - especially the child of a lazy-arse who thinks bad behaviour shows spirit - is never on.

It goes down especially badly when it's family members taking it upon themselves to show someone else how to parent.
There is now a rift in your family, and two sets of cousins are likely to grow up barely knowing each other.

It did sound as if you were rather heavy-handed, as well. Not sying I think it's okay for little ones to run around like that, btw - just that it wasn't your place to tell those kids what's what.

You now know your SIL doesn't like you or your kids, and your MIL wiil be on her side so it's awkward all round. And I doubt you've made a jot of difference to those kids' behaviour in future.

JamieandtheMagiTorch · 16/12/2012 14:49

takataka

I think there is a big difference between what the OP thinks of the parenting, and thinking the children are little shits

The SIL's text underlines to me that she is wholly unreasonable. She has made a childish attack on the children.

However, I do agree that Shiney needs to look to the longer term, and not escalate this further than the SIL has

Astelia · 16/12/2012 14:50

OMG that text is unbelievable Shock.

I think your DH needs to step up here and talk to his sister. He has managed to ignore the whole sorry saga but that text is extremely rude.

I think you should not respond but he should call her and talk to her. If he doesn't want to face her a brief e-mail or text would be better than nothing.

Perhaps something along the lines of:
"DSis, we were both embarrassed and annoyed by your DC's behaviour at the restaurant. They could have easily been hurt or caused an accident if Shiny hadn't stepped in. Instead of being grateful you have insulted us and our children. We don't think a get together on CD is a good idea while feelings run high. DH"

JamieandtheMagiTorch · 16/12/2012 14:56

Astelia

I like that. Except I go vager and say "we were worried by your DCs behaviour"

JamieandtheMagiTorch · 16/12/2012 14:56

Vaguer

SpecialAgentKat · 16/12/2012 14:58

WOW at the update! AngryAngry

Insulting your children is just downright vicious, as everyone else has pointed out. Disagree with your parenting style, sure. Insult her own DNs? CHILDREN? What a cunt.

That text also smacks of control issues. [insult your children] See you at 11. KISS! Vomit Not to mention she's this angry and willing to cause this much family drama over what is essentially a minor incident in the grand scheme of things. She must not be used to being questioned, which leads me to my next point...

I'd be incensed at MIL. Now it's obvious why SIL is the way she is. I'm guessing she was a 'spirited' child too? MIL just can't say no can she? No matter who else she hurts/angers in the process.
Or is this about MIL getting 'her' family xmas?

Resist the urge in every fibre of your being to text back, especially anything smart. That's her game. Make a casual 'joke,' while chatting regularly, then when you explode point out how she's totally justified in how unreasonable you are. She's manipulative. Don't play her game.

Force DH to stop lollygagging and deal with this. She insulted his kids and his mother outright lied about his wife. No one needs to jump stoop to her level, but it can be said that a serious apology is in order from both of them.

BluelightsAndSirens · 16/12/2012 14:58

I think you should forward the text to your DH before you do any thing else.

This could really turn ugly and the last thing you want is to be right in the middle of it all inbetween your DH and his sis.

SpecialAgentKat · 16/12/2012 15:00

*The mother of his kids, I meant

takataka · 16/12/2012 15:06

jamie OP has said it herself, albeit in strike-through. I'm sure it comes across loud and clear to SiL

natation · 16/12/2012 15:07

Your SIL needs a reality check, she can have her feral kids in her own personal space, but out in public and affecting other people's safety and enjoyment in a restaurant, her little shits need to learn to behave like robots.

RandomMess · 16/12/2012 15:07

I agree your dh needs to step up and inform his sister how out of order she has been about insulting the children and his mother about lying.

Keeping sister happy at any cost seems to be the family way of living life?

natation · 16/12/2012 15:09

And anyone who thinks you shouldn't tell off other people's children in public, you have absolutely no consideration then for your fellow human beings. In private, do what you want, in public, consider other people. I have absolutely no problem with anyone telling my children off in public, except I can't remember the last time they did as they know if they go out, they behave or I turn straight around and take them home again.

clam · 16/12/2012 15:17

"but disciplining someone else's child.....is never on."

Er, it would appear that a couple of hundred people on this thread disagree.

shushpenfold · 16/12/2012 15:19

YADNBU

Your DH needs to send this text

'Please don't call our children robots - that is rude and unkind; even more so because you are their aunt. Shiny was worried for your children's safety and being 3, insert child's name didn't like being stopped and hence cried. I'm sorry if you feel offended by that, but please don't take it out on our children.'

SugaricePlumFairy · 16/12/2012 15:20

What an unbelievably rude text from SiL, what a cow she has shown herself to be.

I would still go with random's idea of dh texting and you ingkeep your cool.

SugaricePlumFairy · 16/12/2012 15:21

*keeping.

HelpOneAnother · 16/12/2012 15:21

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 15:22

Am going to forward it to DH, and he can take it from there. I have said to him however, that we all want to have a small family Christmas Day at home, and he is not to agree to go there if they start with the emotional blackmail again.

OP posts:
lljkk · 16/12/2012 15:24

Just remember it's easy for Internet strangers to tell you to be abrupt & insulting in reply. They don't have to live with any consequences.

shushpenfold · 16/12/2012 15:28

lljkk - absolutely, but OPs dh does need to step up to the plate and show a couple of hairy things here....he hasn't so far!

SauvignonBlanche · 16/12/2012 15:28

I can't believe her text! What was she thinking of? Xmas Shock

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