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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 16/12/2012 13:54

"I was stressed by x nearly getting a plateful of food over himself by running into the waitress, work is good. Thanks for the invite but we'd prefer to stay home"

Climbingpenguin · 16/12/2012 13:55

I don't think you should just give in over this but I don't know the best way forward.

tiggytape · 16/12/2012 13:55

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HoleyGhost · 16/12/2012 13:57

X posted earlier. This was going to come to a head at some point. You are still better off that it happened now.

SIL is an insecure tit. I would do nothing, no reply, no drama. And definitely no Christmas with them.

You could show MIL the text and give her any presents to pass on.

RandomMess · 16/12/2012 13:59

"I think MIL must be confused, we're staying at home for Christmas"

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 13:59

RandomMess i like that reply

takataka · 16/12/2012 14:00

Yeah, randommess reply is good

BoneyBackJefferson · 16/12/2012 14:01

lljkk

Why are you so intent on excusing the SiL?

JamieandtheMagiTorch · 16/12/2012 14:03

"IMO, SIL is cross not because her DCs were 'disciplined' and/or upset, but because the OP showed her up publicly by taking control of her children when she wasn't doing it herself. There are few people more righteously indignant than those who know they are in the wrong.

Shiney, with hindsight, perhaps you could have asked your SiL a leading question like "Shall I get them to sit down, or will you?" before you intervened, to let her know her DCs' behaviour was unacceptable, but give her the opportunity to sort it out herself..."

Totally agree with this from Flow4.

But hindsight is a great thing and this sounded like it was rather a spur-of-the-moment grab, so the DCs didn't get hurt/hurt.

In the longer term, it's really hard, IME to spend much time with people who parent so differently.

Aspiemum2 · 16/12/2012 14:03

I'm afraid to say that I can see takataka's point.

Taking my initial outrage at her acceptance of their behaviour out of the equation - is it ok to be critical of her parenting and yet not accept her criticism of yours? Don't get me wrong, I definitely think she sounds to be lacking in parenting skills BUT the bottom line is that they are her children at the end of the day.

I don't think you are being unreasonable but she clearly does.

It's a toughie, perhaps not as cut and dry as I originally thought. She's clearly upset by your actions and you are upset by her inactions.

I think there will need to be compromise on both sides to move forward - that's where your dh comes in. Get him to speak to her!

JamieandtheMagiTorch · 16/12/2012 14:05

Actually, it may be that the SIL doesn't feel at all in the wrong. Some peopl;e are philosophically opposed too lazy to put a stop to any behaviour that doesn't impinge negatively on them (the parent)

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 14:09

Is SIL the kind of parent who refuses to discipline as she worries the kids will hate her, Shiny?

Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 14:11

I honestly welcome possible views from SIL's side, as there are two sides to every story. Her parenting style is incomprehensible to me, as I could not bear to think people stopped inviting me to things because of my child's behaviour.

The difference is she has directly insulted my children not just my parenting. I criticised her lack of parenting but I did not call her children names to her such as feral little shits

OP posts:
Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 14:13

And I admit it wasn't wholely about safety but also about embarrassment as well.

OP posts:
MoaneyMcmoanmoan · 16/12/2012 14:14

Well I would much prefer to go out for dinner with your "little robots" OP.

And I bet teachers would prefer to teach them.

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 14:15

Insulting your children Shiny would be the reason why i avoided her from now on, and tell MIL what she said too, insulting your parenting is fine, your a big girl now, you can take it, but insulting your DC's is not on.

My daughter is not a little robot and has a massive personality, but she knows how to behave, why? because i ensure it, thats why.

lljkk · 16/12/2012 14:18

Your 13:52 msg is gracious, go with that before you succumb to other temptations. File away your DH assessment as a buffer for dealing with her in future.

I knew a lady with robotic children and I would understand SIL's perspective if yours were like that. The robots I knew were like statues in public with mother, but were notoriously vicious to each other & rowdy when Mother not present.

clam · 16/12/2012 14:19

That text!!! Wow. Just...wow!
Christmas at hers would now be totally out of the question for me. By telling you to ignore it, your dh is burying his head in the sand and hoping you'll STFU about it so he doesn't have to act.
And, nice though your mil might be, I would be having words with her about her apologising on your behalf.
Do NOT ignore her. You must reply, otherwise she'll continue to think she's in the right - despite hacing had an unpleasant and bitchy pop at your children. You weren't rude (to her face) about her kids, you just asked them to sit down to keep them safe (with the added bonus of it stopping them pissing everyone else in the restaurant off). She has now upped the ante and poured petrol onto the bonfire.
I would be LIVID about this now.

sneezecakesmum · 16/12/2012 14:19

Explain your stance to granny and enjoy Christmas on your terms. Its usually her generation who are very tutty!

If there's anything worse than indisciplined children its overindulgent parents. Don't fret..the chickens will come home to roost Grin

ravenAK · 16/12/2012 14:24

That text would put the tin lid on it for me, I must say.

I'd reply saying 'Thanks, but the little robots, dh & I are looking forward to a relaxing Xmas at home - can't face the prospect of your two trashing our dc's toys & running amock with the carving knife tbh...'

& make sure to include some passive-aggressive 'lol's & sign off with a big row of xxxxxxxxxxxxx's.

You just know she's busy bending her mum's ear now making you out to be the bad guy who won't accept her olive branch...

takataka · 16/12/2012 14:27

Oh come on OP you don't have to actually say what you think of her and hers....it is fairly disingenous to deny you think they are little shits. She will know exactly what you think of them. Being right, doesn't make it less insulting

clam · 16/12/2012 14:27

Whatever you reply (and I think you're very wise to wait until you've calmed down) you must include a rebuttal of the fact that your mil has excused you with the reference to being stressed at work.

ImNotCute · 16/12/2012 14:28

Have just read the whole thread. Yanbu! Definitely no way you can go there for Xmas now. But you don't want the situation to escalate so I agree get dh to speak to her rather than keep the text conversation going.

Rather than say you don't want to go there after what she said, could dh say you've already told dcs they'll spend Xmas at home and they are looking forward to it so you don't think it's fair to change plans again? That would avoid making it about you not wanting to go.

clam · 16/12/2012 14:32

"That would avoid making it about you not wanting to go."

Why should the SIL not know that her rude, bitchy and extremely unpleasant text has made the OP not want to go to hers for Christmas - particularly after having been dis-invited in the first place.

takataka · 16/12/2012 14:34

I think you need to decide what you want long term before you reply

If you are less than charming now this could become a permanent severance. And as annoying as they are, is that what you want? Remember also, when the kids are a few years older, this won't be an issue. It's not all that long

I had a friend like your Sil, except her dd physically attacked mine on a regular basis. It was a difficult few years with limited visits. Her dd is now lovely and friendships intact

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