To think they should reconsider the DJ's job since the nurse commited suicide?

[MightTinge]

For some strange reason I felt cross when I read of her suicide. Was she in the wrong place at the wrong time? Should the DJ be punished or is it simple a
'Stunt gone wrong'?
After all look what happened with sachsgate. This was much worse IMO before her suicide.
I feel very sad for her children.

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[AllSnowballsAndNoKnickers]

The fact a royal was involved shouldn't make you feel differently

Bloody exactly.


And fucking about with semantics is really not the point either carabos

[MrsBW]

The presenters should have sacked long before news of the suspected suicide broke.

What they did is a gross invasion of privacy... Duchess or no Duchess (and I am a staunch Royalist).

Just tragic that events have unfolded the way they have.

And yes, I do feel sorry for the Duchess of Cambridge. Through no fault of her own this will now serve only to increase the press hounding of her throughout her pregnancy which, let's not forget, is not yet at the 12 week mark... For which she'll be slated by people saying 'why is she so special, just because she married into the Royal Family who are all parasites'. Or something. Frankly I get bored of that type of ranting and switch off in much the same way that I do when my Grandmother starts talking bollocks about something or another.

Still... I digress. Someone has lost their life it would appear directly, or indirectly as a result of a 'joke'. That is truly sad. RIP.

[Itchywoolyjumper]

Manic, I really don't think there is any more to this story than.
Even if the hospital and the royal family were being very nice about it I can't see that the NMC were going to ignore it. A nurse fucked up in a very high profile way, the NMC are pretty touchy about that kind of thing and I can imagine she might have been fairly worried about what was going to happen next.
Add to that all the nurse bashing that's been going on this week and all the publicity and opinions floating about about this incident. Its quite a lot for someone to try and deal with completely out of the blue.
Poor girl and her poor family

[puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE]

I agree AllSnow, its a null point.

I think saying that the DJ's should 'carry her death' is a bit much. If it was a case of the straw that broke the camels back, then it could be argued that if it was not this, then it would have been something else. I do not agree with what they did, but responsibility falls on a lot of shoulders here, not just the DJ's.

[meddie]

It was a childish and reprehensible stunt. But people calling for blood of the presenters are just as bad as those previously calling for the nurse to be sacked.
I am sure that no one expected a person to take their own life over this and I am sure the presenters are equally as shocked and horrified that this has occurred. In the end they were doing their job and unfortunately these prank calls seem to be a staple of radio shows.
I have listened to the tape and they are astounded that they were actually put through in the first place, I dont think in their wildest dreams they actually expected to be put through.
They are now suffering immense pressure and worldwide vitriol which in itself must be horrendous. lets not add to the list of tragedies and put the pitch forks down folks.

[SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh]

Actually, it's really fucking obvious what's going on here. This prank call and the people involved in it are being made scapegoats for the Murdoch empire who are still trying to use the culture of spite, sentimentality and self-righteousness that they created themselves. Get all the hard-of-thinking shitting their pants about 'nasty, childish' phone-pranking in the hope that they will just forget about vicious, destructive, calculatedly malicious phone hacking, the aim of which was frequently to destroy lives, 'punish' celebrities who had 'got above themselves' and exploit murder victims and their families to manipulate the public for gain.

[StrawberryTot]

I should add that I hope the DJs feel shit as do all those who called for her to lose her job :(

[Itchywoolyjumper]

Well said Meddie, I really don't want to be reading that the DJs have done away with themselves as well. It was a pretty stupid thing to do but they've got their own consciences to live with now and I'd like to hope that would be enough. I don't feel sorry for them but I don't think they need to be crucified by the media or us on here.

[MoetEtPantsOn]

These DJs are just Christmas holiday stand-ins for the actual show hosts, Kyle Sandilands and "Jackie O" (no idea of actual surname). It was Kyle who was involved in the 14 year old girl incident. So these two could resign but it would be fairly pointless because they are just temps anyway. Probably lends weight to the theory that the producer should bear responsibility. I wonder if the usual producer is on a break too. The two hosts take around 6-8 weeks every Christmas.

I can't help thinking that no one would ever have known her name if she hasn't killed herself. And by that I mean, no one would have held anything against or even remembered the nurse who connected the call, surely? So sad.

[puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE]

Well said meddie

[MrsBW]

meddie They didn't hang up after they were put through though, did they??

[RedToothbrush]

Publishing details about someone's health or medical condition without permission is, unless there are exceptional circumstances that are in the public interest is STRICTLY off limits in the uk. (Not sure whether its actually law or not).

And outside the Uk whilst it may not be illegal, you certainly leave yourself wide open to getting your arse sued in the vast majority of western countries INCLUDING Australia.

So to say that the DJs, who had been working in the media for sometime, are unaware of this and don't understand basic media ethics (one of the first things I was ever taught whilst studying media) is a bit of stretch.

Which I'm afraid, means they DO have to take full responsibility. They over stepped basic media ethics and they realistically would have been able to predict certain consequences without too many brain cells. They wanted publicity and they wanted money from it, and the gamble hasn't paid off. They would have fully understood the risk of trying to get medical information.

[puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE]

Whats the 14 yo girl incident?

[puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE]

Red are you saying they have to take full responsibility for someone committing suicide?

[DoingItOntheRoofTopWithSanta]

They should be sacked for trying to privileged information about a person in hospital to put on air. Not for the death of the nurse. People do not kill themselves over one incident. It's tragic what happened (however it happened we still don't know) but if she killed herself there was other stuff going on.

[DoingItOntheRoofTopWithSanta]

2 radio hosts got a 14 year old to admit bein raped when she was 12. It wasnt the djs from this story but same company

[puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE]

WTF??? DoingIt that is crazy! How on earth did that fly?

[MrsBW]

DoingIt Totally agree.

[RedToothbrush]

They have to take full responsibility for the actions they took because it was very forseeable that it would led to certain parties being disciplined if they fell for the prank and that this might have far reaching consequences for their future. Not so much a suicide, but they definitely could have predicted that this could end someone's career.

From there its not a short hop to reasonable assume this might have devastating consequences for someone's mental health.

So in answer to your question, yes this was an extreme result and not the most likely outcome nor one I think is predictable, but I DO think that it is a fair and reasonable argument to suggest that they could easily have forseen that this would ruin someone's life in many aspects including their mental health.

British law generally rests on what is a 'reasonable thing' to expect/assume when making judgements.

Therefore I think I'm in the camp of them having to take responsibility I'm afraid.

[thebody]

Well,, I feel absolutely awful that I posted on a thread that the nurse should have been given a written warning as that's what I would have done as a ward sister.

Great the Internet isn't it. We can all pontificate and judge without anyone knowing who we are or taking any responsibility!!

[JustFabulous]

The DJs apology meant nothing as even before the death they were still promoting the call. If they were truly sorry they woud have quietly dropped it from their site.

I think they should resign as the decent thing to do but they won't.

I think it is totally distasteful to say the nurse clearly had something wrong with her. People have taken their own lives for "less" than media interest in something they have done.

[MrsBW]

Don't forget... This was pre-recorded, reviewed by lawyers and deemed fit for air by the audio station by those lawyers and producers.

This was not an unfortunate 'accident' or a joke that went too far. It was pre-meditated (the invasion of privacy, not the suspected suicide)

[MrsBW]

Radio station, not audio station.

[germyrabbit]

the whole story is a lesson on what not to do, it's very sad but the hospital should have cast iron policies about how to deal with phone calls and the press shouldn't have (imo) reported the princesses admission in the first place

i imagine all involved will never get over this. sorry state of affairs all round really.