To think they should reconsider the DJ's job since the nurse commited suicide?

[MightTinge]

For some strange reason I felt cross when I read of her suicide. Was she in the wrong place at the wrong time? Should the DJ be punished or is it simple a
'Stunt gone wrong'?
After all look what happened with sachsgate. This was much worse IMO before her suicide.
I feel very sad for her children.

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[Latara]

HoolioHallio is right.

Personally, as a nurse i cried when i heard of the nurse's death - i've been suicidal (partly caused by my job) recently & i feel so upset for her family.

It's difficult for many people to understand how scared this lady must have felt over the possibility of losing her job & the implications (for her family & for her self-esteem, & financially) that would have had. I do get it because i was in a similar situation.

[Latara]

RIP Jacinta, but she shouldn't be dead & it makes me feel so angry for her.

[x2boys]

completely agree latara i was off work for 8 months last year as a direct result of extreme stress caused by bullying by senior managers [ NHS] so i cant begin to imagine how jacintha was feeling but she should nt be dead

[flippinada]

I posted on the other thread in chat.

Solid, you are wrong that the nurse who died must have had other mental health issues. No need for me to go into any detail as others have explained why. Ours also wrong to assume that it's about forelock tugging.

I'm about as far away from being a royalist as it's possible to imagine, my sadness is entirely for the woman who died and her family. I do have some sympathy for Kate as well as she's still a human being.

On a personal level I find prank calls repellent and unfunny. They are cruel and tantamount to bullying. I don't have a massive amount of sympathy for the "shock jocks" who pulled this nasty stunt as they make a healthy living from their fatuous jokes - a lot more than the nurse who killed herself, I would think - but agree that the management hold ultimate responsibility - I expect they thoroughly regret their behaviour now.

[LadyBeagleBaublesandBells]

My dsis has been off work for 6 months now due to stress and depression.
She works in the NHS with adults with mild to very severe learning difficulties.
It's not just her job that has caused this, but it was certainly a factor.
And yes, if something like this had happened to her, it would have tipped her over the edge.
I also think if it wasn't for the Leverson Enquiry those nurses would have been doorstepped to get their side of the story, just in time for the Sunday tabloids.
Actually, I would be surprised if they weren't at least plagued by phonecalls, the tabloids are 'suitably' outraged, yes now she's dead they are.

[hackmum]

"I think thats disrespectful to a woman who was put on the spot in a position which she had no control over and beyond the remit of her job and was the butt of someone's 'humour'."

Of course it's not disrespectful. I'm just making the simple point that if you disapprove of bullying, hounding and mob justice, then the way to demonstrate that is to show a bit of restraint by not bullying and hounding en masse the Australian DJs. It's a bit like smacking a child to show them that hitting is wrong.

[mrsbacchus]

MrsDeVere Couldn't express how i feel about this any better.

[Pyrrah]

I was recently in a situation where I could have been forced to choose whether or not to make a media statement.

A friend of mine who is an expert in that area asked me if I was aware of the psychological and emotional stress I would suffer if I did - even though I myself would not be the story and I would be seen in a very good light. She was really, really adamant that I must consider whether I wanted to go through that. I didn't sleep for 3 nights worrying about it.

This poor nurse (who was only filling in for reception at that moment) will have been subjected to massive stress, will have had this sprung upon her, made to look a fool by the rest of the world and had people calling for her head. On top of that, she was away from her family and exhausted.

I am angry that the DJs didn't think through the implications for the person who answered the phone. They played the tapes to lawyers before airing them, so it wasn't something that just happened live on air apparently and still decided to go ahead.

I'm sorry for Kate, who must be feeling that if she hadn't been sick she wouldn't have been sent to hospital and this wouldn't have happened. Also awful that a wonderful happy thing like her first baby now has a woman's death attached to it. I would have been devastated in her position on so many levels.

Above all terrible for the husband and children of the nurse. Have lost an ex-fiance to suicide, I have a good idea how they will be feeling.

The DJs don't deserve some of the vitriol - but I think careers in another field might be a good plan.

[DoingItOnTheRoofTopWithSanta]

'Strangely enough the thread calling for her sacking on MN has been pulled. Funny that! People can't own up to the fact that they were so fucking quick to judge her, and now so has died are doing a total 180.

This. Exactly this. And not one of the screeching harpies demanding that she be sacked have the guts to own what they said. Which makes them as pathetic and spineless as the owners of the radio station and their pathetic refusal to bear ANY resonsibility for what has happened. There is every chance that Jacintha Saldana had access to what was written about her on this forum. And the ONLY people who will argue that it wasn't vile and witch hunting and humiliationg are the people who contributed to it.

First of all that thread was about the nurse who gave the information not the receptionist/nurse

Secondly even if it wasn't, what do you want people to do?
Come on to a thread about a dead woman and say she should be posthumously sacked? That might be a bit disrespectful I'd have thought as there really isn't much point now.


Some of us spoke on the previous thread about how sad it was she died but that expecting someone to be sacked for what should be a sackable offense does not make us murderers . Do I think the DJ's should also be sacked for trying to get information about a potentially vulnerable woman? Yes, of course I do. We have no idea why she was really in hospital, HG could have been a cover for something even more serious. It was inappropriate.

[DoingItOnTheRoofTopWithSanta]

Oh and the people who asked that previous thread to be pulled were the ones offended by the thread in the first place, said I thought it should stand with an altered title.

[LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726]

The people at fault are the moron members of the public who clamour for information, unable to live their own meaningless lives without knowing things that are none of their business. Unfortunately, they won't have the wit or the conscience to realise it.

[HoolioHallio]

Doingit - you and the other fucking harpies screeching on that thread for her to be sacked (and yes - there were PLENTY of calls for the 'receptionist' who answered the phone to be sacked') shouldn't have even been commenting. What fucking right do you have to sit as judge and jury on someone elses career and life? Words on a screen ? Yeah - buy into that bullshit all you like but YOU and every other person who posted negative, hurtful, speculative and gossip mongering posts bear a level of responsibility for what happened. Whether YOU like it or not. And if acknowledging that means that ONE person will stop to think before laying into another human being from behind the safety of a computer screen then thank god for that.

I wish that MNHQ would reinstate the thread to be honest - if only to force you all to take responsibility for the comments that you made.

[GothAnneGeddes]

I missed the thread asking for the nurses to be sacked. How disgusting (but unsurprising) that such a thread existed. It could have well been something that put her over the edge. It should allowed to stand, so people can't pretend now.

As soon as I heard about the hoax, I said the nurses involved would be sobbing in the staffroom over this.

I also have a strong feeling hospital management were not supportive, unlike our medical colleagues, nurses are very quick to throw staff under the bus when something goes wrong.

[SantaIAmSoFuckingRock]

"Also not sure why on earth we would want to destigmatise suicide?! No, it's not a crime but it's awful, tragic and the worse it is seen the better as far as I'm concerned. Nobody should have to go through the aftermath of a person killing themselves. A move towards seeing it as an okay thing to do would be disastrous in my opinion. "

you are misunderstanding. it isn't a move to destigmatise suicide to make it an okay thing to do. it is to destigmatise the feelings and thoughts about suicide so that people are more able/comfortable to talk about it, thoughts they may have had about suicide so that they may get the appropriate help.

[DoingItOnTheRoofTopWithSanta]

Doingit - you and the other fucking harpies screeching on that thread for her to be sacked (and yes - there were PLENTY of calls for the 'receptionist' who answered the phone to be sacked') shouldn't have even been commenting. What fucking right do you have to sit as judge and jury on someone elses career and life? Words on a screen ? Yeah - buy into that bullshit all you like but YOU and every other person who posted negative, hurtful, speculative and gossip mongering posts bear a level of responsibility for what happened. Whether YOU like it or not. And if acknowledging that means that ONE person will stop to think before laying into another human being from behind the safety of a computer screen then thank god for that.I wish that MNHQ would reinstate the thread to be honest - if only to force you all to take responsibility for the comments that you made.


I fucking LOVE irony.
I say (quite rightly) that a person giving away personal info should be sacked.

You say that a person on the internet who says someone should get sacked should be culpable for someone elses suicide. Why do you have the right to ask for blood for what I did? Something that the woman involved probably never saw. And simply stated "she should get sacked" You stupid stupid stupid person.

Now say thanks to your ridiculous comments which I have definitely seen, I go and kill myself. Should you also be held responsible as you have pushed me to take responsibility?

[DixieD]

mrsDV there are of course a myriad of reasons why there is stigma attached to suicide. All of the ones you mentioned feature. The implication of criminality does not help. Of course changing the commonly used terminology is only a small step but it is important that the dialogue around suicide is more sympathetic to the victim. Commit suicide as a phrase suggests a planned deliberate nearly cynical act like someone would commit a murder or burglary and is quite accusatory. When of course we know those people driven to suicide are often incapable of rational thought. They are lost in a terrible, lonely, desperate place where suicide seems the only way out.

[HoolioHallio]

Please link to where I have asked for blood?

A simple apology would go a long way to show that beneath your screeching, judgemental lack of compassion that you do actually have a human heart.

But I doubt it.

You, and every other faceless stranger on the internet who criticised, humiliated and castigated those 2 members of staff online, without having a real CLUE about the circumstances, contributed, however indirectly to the death of another human being. Of course you don't like hearing it. I certainly wouldn't like hearing it if I had been calling for someones life to be ruined, and it then happened in the most horrific circumstances imaginable. But to many people, you and those who thought and acted like you did, bear some responsibility. Unpalatable as that may be to you.

[SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh]

What I find a little distasteful is the assumption made that, even if Jacintha Saldahna killed herself (which has NOT been confirmed AFAIK) then it must have been over the prank call. Because this is behaving as though she, and her life, and her thoughts and her problems couldn't possibly have mattered, that the only thing about her that is of interest is her tenuous connection with a famous pregnant person. For all anyone knows, she could have been informed that morning that she was terminally ill/her husband was leaving her/she was about to face criminal charges for something or other completely unconnected to the prank call. But hey, only the famous matter, and the rest of us peasants can't possibly have narratives of our own.

[DoingItOnTheRoofTopWithSanta]

Hoolio You have effectively accused me of murder over an internet post saying, again, that someone deserved to be sacked. I own no one an apology the woman who killed herself almost undoubtedly did not kill herself for only this reason. That is not how suicide works. Your shrieking over how I have driven a woman to kill herself is much worse than me saying someone should be sacked. You are unbelievably ignorant and hypocritical.

Please answer me, if I, who has actually assuredly read your comment now go and kill myself would you apologize? Would it be your fault?

[SantaIAmSoFuckingRock]

in response to mrsDV

i was raised and live in a very catholic area of ireland and there still is talk of sin around taking your own life. it is very much accpeted and the norm (as in, not questioned) that a suicide victim would not be buried in consecrated ground. IME there is still a stigma. but i completely accept that this is my own experience and otehrs may never have expereince dthis, which mught explain why the term would not cause any offence in their own socuial circles.

[SantaIAmSoFuckingRock]

just to be clear. i am atheist and do not share the idea that to take your own life is any sort of sin.

[FivesGoldNorks]

Hoolio please stop going on about screeching, you've made your point and it's getting old.

I was on the other thread, said I was on the fence and would happily see it re instated as I stand by my comments in the circumstances at the time.

Is it bad just to post on a thread calling for someone's job?