To think they should reconsider the DJ's job since the nurse commited suicide?

[MightTinge]

For some strange reason I felt cross when I read of her suicide. Was she in the wrong place at the wrong time? Should the DJ be punished or is it simple a
'Stunt gone wrong'?
After all look what happened with sachsgate. This was much worse IMO before her suicide.
I feel very sad for her children.

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[DixieD]

If that was aimed at me I have no idea why you have concluded that I am getting offended on behalf of others. You have no idea of how I am personally effected by the subject.

[MrsBW]

Nope, not aimed at anyone in particular. Just a general observation after being involved in many threads on many forums over a long period of time.

[junowiththegladrags]

Doing, the mother put her in that position. The way I read the transcript of the interview the dj got flustered made that one very ill judged remark and the interview was stopped.
The mother knew the girl had been raped and still thought an interview about sexual experiences was a good idea

I'm not a fan of their work, just think the reaction they're getting following this very sad death is pretty ironic.

[GothAnneGeddes]

What Mrs DV said.

I'm a staunch republican, but in now way do I think ringing someone up in hospital is in anyway ok and yes, they were gloating about, they thought it was hilarious.

That poor nurse was at the end of a night shift, probably knackered and probably hasn't been able to get any sleep since, it's very easy to feel at the end of you tether when you're so sleep deprived.

Awful, awful, awful.

It's not about forelock tugging, it's about a media that behaves in a decent manner. Pestering the sick is not decent. At all.

[Loveweekends10]

A few days ago when the story came out lots of people on this site were demanding the nurse get the sack.

Who will it be next? The Queen?

It's all very sad. It made me angry that the hospital were saying 'we supported her' I bet they did! I bet she got an absolute bollocking.

[differentnameforthis]

How can the DJs not be to blame? Without that call, she might still be alive. It may not have been the only factor, but it certainly was a factor of her death.

I am shocked at how anyone can defend them, and I would say the same whether it concerned the royal family or not.

[differentnameforthis]

www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/coles-pulls-ads-from-2dayfm-after-nurse-subjected-to-prank-royal-call-found-dead-in-london/story-e6frf96f-1226532724014

I should think so too. For those who don't know

Coles - Tesco
Telstra - BT
Optus - any major mobile carrier

[flow4]

The DJs have been taken off the air indefinitely.
The radio station is subject to investigation by the Australian media regulator.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australian-radio-hosts-who-made-prank-call-to-royal-hospital-taken-off-air-over-nurses-death-8393559.html

[INeedThatForkOff]

I don't see any hint of an apology from the DJs within the statement from the station. It seems like a load of arse-covering and denial of any culpability. Sad.

[NetworkGuy]

Well put MrsBW ("the world would be a simpler place if people stopped getting offended on behalf of others quite so quickly and just concentrated on what offended them personally").

Can see where the 'offended' view might come in, but really, truly, had never thought the description "committed suicide" was so different from "taken own life" that one could offend and other is "approved".

I'll bear it in mind, but if someone had taken their own life (and it happened in the case of the son of some friends earlier this year) then discussions either completely avoid the subject or (if family wanted to discuss situation) would be done without (in my case) any implication of what was once a crime.

Suicide is an awful action, and I'm not going to imply some moral judgement, so if someone reads into 'committed suicide' as such a judgement, it's in their own head, not mine. Feel sure that in dictionary definitions the phrase would never suggest lawbreaking.

Just put the phrase in a search engine and here are some extracts of the results I saw:

Found On: Google, Yahoo! Search "A suicide method is any means by which a person purposely commits suicide, .... It is impossible for someone to commit suicide by simply holding their breath, ..."

Found Exclusively On: Yahoo! Search "So you're thinking about committing suicide. That is, I figure you probably are if ..."

Seems there are a number of sites which use the phrase (and suggests the Samaritans have some work to do, if they consider it insensitive or offensive).

[manicinsomniac]

I never knew 'commiting suicide' was offensive either, it's the most common way of describing it. I guess I can see why it is if it relates to when it was a crime but I'm not sure anybody thinks of it like it really do they? Also not sure why on earth we would want to destigmatise suicide?! No, it's not a crime but it's awful, tragic and the worse it is seen the better as far as I'm concerned. Nobody should have to go through the aftermath of a person killing themselves. A move towards seeing it as an okay thing to do would be disastrous in my opinion.

[jamdonut]

Peple who think this was "just a joke" need to think about the two 10 year olds who caused such a panic when they rang emergency services and pretended mum was unconcious and the one speaking was a 3 year old,locked in ,somewhere in Leeds. It caused a panic on here,and in the media and misuse of emergency services.
Ok, no-one died....but no-one knew if there was a mother and child at risk somewhere.
This was a prank call too. Not so funny now,eh?...
Hopefully those two ten year olds have been fully re-habilitated now and will never do it again.

[puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE]

You cannot relate every joke ever played to one scenario and say 'look how that turned out'. Its non sensical.

I would be very interested to know how many of the people who are in uproar about the death of the nurse called for her sacking after the incident. I bet there are quite a few of the two faced arse holes. Everyone loves to be offended. So fucking hypocritical.

[puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE]

Strangely enough the thread calling for her sacking on MN has been pulled. Funny that! People can't own up to the fact that they were so fucking quick to judge her, and now so has died are doing a total 180.

Makes me sick.

[DixieD]

Just because a phrase is used commonly doesn't mean it is right. I understand the point you are trying to make manic. When we talk about the stigma of suicide we mean the effect that has on families. How it is hard to openly talk about the manner of their loved ones death because of the stigma attached to it. Of course this ties in to the wider stigma attached to mental illness and how little it is openly discussed. This is perfectly illustrated by the poster above mentioning how the subject is completely avoided.

[NetworkGuy]

If you are suggesting people posting on this thread have done a U-turn, probably best to be 'sick' but say no more. Someone has already expressed remorse about comments made before hearing about the death of this nurse, and we are all entitled to change our minds / position in the light of new information.

I'm open minded - it would have been better for all calls from the family (Royalty or not - feel sure Kate's Mum might have rung) to have gone through a mobile held by someone in the police, on protection duty, so situation could have been avoided, but given the time of day when the spoof call was made, and no special arrangements / precautions having been taken, it was just human error, but one the media pushed to prominence.

[RedToothbrush]

The trouble with trying to set up a protocol for private calls in a hospital are this:

a) sheer number of people who need to be informed
b) the fact that training takes time and realistically there would be few patients needing this even in a private hospital
c) Kate was an unscheduled admittance which makes it harder to prepare staff
d) you would also need to inform anyone with a legitimate reason to contact Kate
e) trying to illicit medical details breaks the self enforced code of conduct by the British media

In my mind it does come down to the media. No one should have to go down to these lengths IN A HOSPITAL. No matter what the public thirst for the Royals is.

The whole situation makes me sick. We have years of this to come, and every dog and his bone will crawl out of the woodwork to push their own agendas on this (think breastfeeding verses bottle feeding. think vb v cs). And it'll have an effect on public perceptions/judgements regardless of any the element that everyone is different or the validity of decision making process behind it. Its so wrong.

At the end of the day, all of these things have got fuck all to do with Royalty. And everything to do with everyone trying to cash in. Its an absence of basic decency and humanity tbh.

[hackmum]

We live in a media culture where bullying, harassment and cruelty is rife. Look at the way people are humiliated on "reality" tv shows. Look at some of the stuff the tabloid press have done to celebrities such as Charlotte Church or Sienna Miller or indeed to ordinary people such as the Dowlers. The press and television companies have been hugely lucky, in my view, that none of their victims has killed themselves.

By comparison, the stunt pulled by the Australian DJs, silly though it was, was relatively mild. They can't possibly have imagined they would have been put through to the ward. I imagine they thought the person who answered at reception would tell them to go away in no uncertain terms and that would have been that.

I wish people could see that by demonising the DJs publicly, calling for them to be sacked and so on, they are putting them in exactly the same position as that poor nurse.

[RedToothbrush]

I disagree completely about the parallel with the nurse being in the same position. The DJs carried out a dishonest and deliberately misleading act for their own self interest and gain and had no regard for the implications of their premeditated actions - even if this hadn't resulted in the death of a woman it is very obvious this would result in potentially devastating and life changing consequences for those caught up in it. They had numerous opportunities to say enough was enough but they didn't. They broke basic media ethics and broadcast rules (if not the law) and continued to promote their prank after the event.

I actually think trying to draw a parallel abdicates the DJs of responsibility and says its ok for them to be ignorant of rules and standards they should be very aware of as broadcasters to avoid prosecution. Its not.

I think thats disrespectful to a woman who was put on the spot in a position which she had no control over and beyond the remit of her job and was the butt of someone's 'humour'.

[HoolioHallio]

'Strangely enough the thread calling for her sacking on MN has been pulled. Funny that! People can't own up to the fact that they were so fucking quick to judge her, and now so has died are doing a total 180.

Makes me sick.'

This. Exactly this. And not one of the screeching harpies demanding that she be sacked have the guts to own what they said. Which makes them as pathetic and spineless as the owners of the radio station and their pathetic refusal to bear ANY resonsibility for what has happened. There is every chance that Jacintha Saldana had access to what was written about her on this forum. And the ONLY people who will argue that it wasn't vile and witch hunting and humiliationg are the people who contributed to it.

[picketywick]

It is such an awful story at many levels. An Aussie lady was on 5-live last night . She said the programme did loads of pranks. That was there main thing. They will be off the air for some time now

[LadyBeagleBaublesandBells]

Exactly what Mrs DV said.
Supposing it was bad news and Kate had lost the baby, did they even think of that?

[Witchety]

Yes, not unreasonable to thin Jacintha may have been a mumsnetter, it member if another forum where she saw threads such as that.

[x2boys]

As i said on the previous thread asking for the nurse to be sacked my collegue [ who has been nursing for over 30 yrs]has just been demoted and got a first and final written warning for something far less serious than a major breach of confidentiality and as i said on the previous thread i felt verysorry for the nurse to be in the position she was in the hoaspital made a public statement last night that they had been supporting jacintha i very much doubt and all of this has lead to a loss of life however people think
it needs to be described from a nurse to a nurse rest in peace jacintha.