AIBU to think that when all things are considered, teachers are on the equivalent of NMW?

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The extra time spent at home planning, making reources, time spent buying resources (out of your own pocket) basically means that teachers, in reality, are on the equivalent or just above NMW for all the work outside of the actual classroom?

I don't know about NMW, but the same as other people who didn't even get A-levels, yes. DH and I are a case in point there. He works about the same hours if you factor in planning, marking etc. I went to uni, got a degree, got a PGCE. He stopped at O levels. Same salary...

Lougle - need to take into account tax/NI (which is of course higher on 37k gross and naturally much less on NMW)

So he got about £1900 a month (not deducting pension) which equates to £6.78 an hour for 280 hours work per working month.

A person on NMW gets £5.50 per hour after tax/NI, so still much less than your DH, often not able to get 280 hours per working month.

YABU - Definitely not NMW - yes the job can be tough at times and the paperwork annoying but nothing compared to that of other professions (family work in the medical profession and will stay up till 11pm sometimes to get it done). The pay is decent enough and lots of job security.

Up sticks and teach abroad now - half the paperwork, half the class sizes and siginificantly higher pay. I don't think the quality of education is as good though and recent global tables indicate this. Would happily go back to the Uk if the weather wasn't so crap.

The NMW is £6.19. The living wage for our area is £8.38.

But Laurie, you weren't saying it was less than the living wage. You were saying it was less than NMW, which isn't true

true, it is (just) higher by 50p an hour than the NMW but it is less than the living wage if you work 70 hours a week. There is of course plenty of salaried people in the public and private sector who work 70 plus hours a week for the minimum wage.

That can't apply to all teachers though, even on this thread there's plenty who don't work 70 plus hours a week.

Oh whatever OP.

Teachers aren't the best paid, but they are on a fuck of a lot more than minimum wage even when you take into account the hours worked.

Have you even worked out what that would mean?

Minimum wage = 6.19 per hour
Work 40h per week all year is a salary of 12,875
I'm assuming 2 weeks of paid holiday so that is 40x52x6.19 pay but only 2000 hours worked (40x50)

Band 3 teacher in London is on £29,889.

That means they would have to work 5,654 hours to get down to minimum wage. Or 52 weeks working 92.86 hours a week.

Not very realistic yeah?

Even the lowest pay band of £21,588 (band 1 no london weighting) means they would have to work 52 weeks with no holiday at 67.07 hours a week.

So I think we can safely say, OP you are talking shit.

Except that the living wage is based on 'full-time' hours, of 37.5 hours per week.

Using those hours, the salary exceeds the living wage by 50%.

You can't use a comparator (living wage) and then adjust it by saying 'ahh but he works more hours'.

Yabu. They get 13 weeks paid leave a year, the only job that gets this.

I would cut the leave to the standard 5 weeks.

FYI taking tax and Ni into account.
Taking no account of WTC etc or pension payments.

NMW gets £11,287.18 cash

Lowest paid teacher gets £17.211.88

This means you would have to work 61 hours a week for 50 weeks of the year to be on the equivalent cash as minimum wage.

Even if teachers work 50 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, surely they are still on about £10 an hour?

And surely most teachers are not doing it just for the money? It isn't the sort of job you block on and clock off, like most jobs that carry alot of responsibility and require knowledge and skill.

Well, my DH earns about the same as a teacher who is a head of department.
He has a degree. There is no pension.
In 2011, he worked on 354 days out of a total of 365, and three of those days he didn't work were spent in hospital.
He works out of doors, operates heavy machinery, and deals with shit, smelly drains, difficult births and other unpleasant things all day long. He usually does 12+hour days. From Saturday to Saturday last week, he worked just over 90 hours, and that would be an average week.
You will never hear him moan about how many hours he has to work.
He is a dairy farmer. And nothing any teacher will ever say will convince him that they know what hard work is.

I'm sure teacher's don't have it easy. I just had a text from a friend who is a teacher who is having a crisis due to unruly kids in her school. Not a job I'd want to do at all.

BUT as for they are on the equiv of NMW.....here have a

givemeaclue Mon 03-Dec-12 13:33:02

"Yabu. They get 13 weeks paid leave a year, the only job that gets this." WRONG It's unpaid.

whois Mon 03-Dec-12 13:33:29

FYI taking tax and Ni into account.
Taking no account of WTC etc or pension payments.

NMW gets £11,287.18 cash

Lowest paid teacher gets £17.211.88

This means you would have to work 61 hours a week for 50 weeks of the year to be on the equivalent cash as minimum wage.

Many do. Especially NQTs, NQT+1/2s

Not me though

" LoopsInHoops Mon 03-Dec-12 13:44:53

givemeaclue Mon 03-Dec-12 13:33:02

"Yabu. They get 13 weeks paid leave a year, the only job that gets this." WRONG It's unpaid. "

That makes Laurie's £37k much more generous, then. Take it up to 52 weeks per year and the wage is £49,333.

You don't get paid a salary through the holidays? No paid holidays? Really?

Aboutlastnight - the wage is spread over 12 months, so teachers still receive a wage during holidays, but each month's wage is reduced.

Oh come on so you do get paid holidays. You get a money in each month. And if the 11weeks off a year is not being 'paid' than that makes the paud hourly rate even better.

Yep, it does make the paid hourly rate better, you're right, but that's the fact - holidays count as unpaid but salary is spread over 12 months. Never really understood why, I wonder if you are allowed to get summer jobs?

"Never really understood why, I wonder if you are allowed to get summer jobs? "

Of course you are

By the way, my DH is a school caretaker. He isn't allowed to take term time holidays, he isn't allowed time off to attend school events, he has to open up the school early in the morning and wait until all the teachers have gone home before locking up.

He gets £15k pro-rata.

I get pain NMW for looking after elderly people in their own homes. What I actually earn is an average of £3.50 an hour, as I pay for my my own fuel and I am not paid for travelling time between clients - usually around 20 minutes or half an hour. There are no paid breaks.

Teachers on NMW? Don't insult those of us who are please.