to think this 'concept' is bloody ridiculous not to mention dangerous and to ask if anyone else would like to give some feedback?!

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The Bottle Bib - for those who don't have time to sit and feed their baby

They have a questionnaire inviting feedback. Please do join me in giving some

This is just so dangerous. It makes me sick every time I see bottle propping going on - it can kill.

And FFS if you can't be arsed to even feed your baby, consider if you should be having one.

Crikey. I was one of the first to respond to this thread and filled in the survey really sensitively. I was dead nice about it and apologised for being critical of the product.

I was civil as it gets, so really, a bit annoyed to be told off by 'Mai'.

Also:
'If you believe there is a choking hazard, I am not sure I mentioned this before, but trading standards are there to test products etc for the safety elements. Perhaps before slating something, we should test it and comment from a factual POV.'

Do you mean to say it hasn't been tested for safety? Well that would explain a lot.

Excuse me baby dude, just so you know...Mai Fraser is not my real name, and going as far as to google the deets just enforces my points on bullying/harassing behaviour.

And again, I have zero to do with the product or business in question. I am amused though that you seem to believe that the only reason why someone would defend collective bullying and abhorrent language that has been used is if they have a vested interest in/within the business.

Not sure what the product has been tested for, thats up to you to get that info from the packaging or the person that sells it? Perhaps thats where a few of you should have started? By asking the question? Just a thought.

Back to my first point...BE CONSTRUCTIVE. (Anyone getting bored by this?). A lot of you went further than you needed to, and showed behaviours that I would deplore my children from showing. Was it necessary? No. Were you being BULLIES and TROLLS, yes. Whatever points you meant to display along the way were lost in the wholly inappropriate language and behaviour you displayed. Please feel free to reference my example above about how to express your feeling without being so callous and inconsiderate.

If you can show such levels of criticism of a product, perhaps you can take some constructive feedback with you in the process. I would happily be attacked for standing up for someone who I do not know or never met, who I understand wanted to know how good/bad her product was, and got pummelled in the process. Some of it was vindictive and personal, nothing to do with the product itself or its uses. Good on you to those who were mature and considerate in their responses. And shame on you schoolyard bullies who went further than they needed to.

Why did you choose the name of the person who had the patent on the product? That seems rather bizarre.

How can someone write such a long post without actually making any relevant points?

Must be coincidence BOF!

How can someone write such a long post without actually making any relevant points

Mai you really are talking shit. The very fact that the inventor of this product is trying to make money from people who basically cannot be fucking arsed to feed their own baby, is making people a bit angry and those feelings are coming across on this thread.

So please bore off with your 'bullying' crap. This is a dangerous product with the potential to kill a baby, and people are just cross that it is being marketed as a labour saving device.

Also, the disability thing is total bullshit as well. If someone is able to get their child actually strapped into this torture device, then they are able to feed them by hand.

Sorry for being a bit of a bitch, but this device seems to have touched a bit of a nerve with me and has made me quite angry. Are there really people out there who just cannot be fucked to give their baby a bottle?

One of those harmonies of the universe

I thought this was a wind up.

My only thought is multiples but still.

Crazy!

BOFingTheDude.. please clarify...what patent? And where did you get that information? This could also be considered slanderous, its certainly laughably untrue.

Would also be interested to learn what I would stand to gain from denying if I was the owner of said website. You can dig as far as you would like...I have absolutely Nada to do with the company/person/s who own it etc. And I taking a stand from an ethical POV. And as a mum who hopes her children are going to have ideas in future, which can be constructively and maturely criticised. As a mum, I also take bullying and harassment very seriously (wow, that's unusual I know).

Just because your disagree with something (no matter how passionately) should not give you the right to harass anyone else. And I certainly hope that our children are taught better than that. Make your point. Make it about the product, not the person. No need to be a bully/troll about it.

Never said this was a great invention (in my opinion), gave my personal reasons for not needing it/using it personally. Without being a rude about it...yes...I have a curtesy badge!

Fellowship, I rest my case. :)

Woah! Fellowship No need to bring Jezza into this!

RooneyMara, I don't think the device has even been made - the pictures look like computer generated designs. They wouldn't be allowed to sell ti for babies or children without testing.

Mai, it's OBVIOUS. Becuse the bottle is strapped to the child's front, the baby will have to be lying down for the milk to go in it's mouth. Because the device is strapped to the child, it will have to be positioned to be in the baby's mouth. Because the baby is lying down if it starts to choke or cough it will not be able to escape.

Attempting to make profit by encouraging parents to feel that is normal and OK to resort to such a device is arguably moraly dubious. If I went to my board with such a proposal i would, honestly, expect a pretty raw response. MN-ers are ultimately being expected by the manufacturers to part with their money to the company's benefit. What moral duty of care do they have to the inventor?

Go away Mai, you kept up with pointless arguments for this product, no one but you and the person who invented it think its a great idea.
I want my dcs to come up with ideas. However, if they invented a dangerous, contemptable product like this I would never let them get to the stage of pitching it to its intended market, so they could hear it from others. I would be nice enough to point out it was a good idea in theory but in practice not so much. What would you do Mai? Sit and look at it, silently think it sucked but lie to the child that its great? Great parent you are then.
The "sisterhood" argument didn't work.
The "you are all bullies" argument didn't work.
The "manuals giving safety advice" argument didn't work either. The product still poses a real danger of killing a child. But let's allow that so we mean bullies don't hurt an adults feelings, let's not kill her dreams, eh? It's only a baby at risk after all......
Is it just me, or does Mai strike anyone else as the type who is keeping Nanfucker in XFactor, so as not to hurt his talentless feelings?

It's not just the dangers of choking - bottle propping leads to tooth decay and ear infections too Dangers of bottle propping

If it isn't you, then, Mai, I can be more blunt.
Whoever came up with this idea is an idiot. To get as far as producing computer generated images of this 'product' without even taking into account the basic safety advice new mothers are given about how to feed their babies suggests a cluelessness beyond the normal naivety of someone setting up their first business.

If none of the inventor's friends and family have told her this then she is desperately in need of some tough love to stop her wasting a ton more money than she already has.

Vile, contemptible and bizarre.

There's my two-penneth, for what it's worth.

Oh no! Hope I haven't bullied the inventor or hurt her feelings.

Is it just me, or does Mai strike anyone else as the type who is keeping Nanfucker in XFactor, so as not to hurt his talentless feelings?

I've been scratching my head for weeks over this thorny issue and there you've solved it in one sentence!

scampi I'm sure Mai will let you know if she feels you have. Along with a load of other nonsensical guff.
Tunip I thought you were quite restrained.

Fellowship, I have not condoned the product at any point in my posts. Just the tones and language used in the owner's harassment. Not downplaying the risks to a product that I know nothing about. But at least I know that I don't know about it. I am not stating opinions as facts.

My point again...could you make your points without being personal?

About my kids. I would be honest, constructive and sensitive. And I would expect others to be similarly courteous in their in their criticisms of them (A lot to ask I know).

Not sure what you are talking about about x-factor(don't watch it). You were quite abusive and repeatedly to me before because you didn't like what I was saying. Perhaps you are the right person to question my integrity and suitability as a parent.

Thank you for making my point for me, I couldn't have made it any more succinctly.

Thanks very much grumpy, shall have to alert the XFactor thread pundits

I'm just of up stairs to tell one of the dc that he should after all go ahead and invent the flame thrower potato peeler that doubles as a belt after all

Mai >.

Well, Mai, I have to apologise as I have been lead down the wrong path by what has to be the most mind-screwing coincidence in the world.

But since you're feeling bullied I'll back right off and let you get on with it.

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