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Tory haters: shouldn't you start reining this in?

215 replies

Abitwobblynow · 07/11/2012 05:30

Because the golden geese who have to pay for what you believe are entitlements and who you despise so much, are flying away:

"Almost half of all Britons who emigrate each year are professionals and company managers, potentially threatening the country?s supply of highly skilled workers, research for the Home Office found.
The attractions of a better lifestyle and climate, as well as career opportunities, meant a ?large and increasing? number of executives, scientists, academics and doctors have chosen to leave Britain in the last 20 years, the report said.
Business leaders blamed high rates of income tax for the ?disturbing? rises in the number of professionals leaving Britain for countries such as Australia, American and Canada. Around 149,000 British citizens emigrated last year, and 4.7 million now live overseas."

What do you think? Has the class resentment poison gone just a bit too far, and isn't it just a bit outdated? And was Labour right to stoke this narrative up?

OP posts:
mignonette · 07/11/2012 08:45

Another Cuntservative with their 'research blinkers' on....sigh...

Brycie · 07/11/2012 08:46

"Cuntservative"?

How old are you?

YokoUhOh · 07/11/2012 08:50

I lurk a fair bit on these threads, they usually go the same way:

Tory: taxes are high/bad/not spent wisely

Counter-argument: no they're not

Different Tory: THIS IS HYSTERICAL BASHING FROM THE MUMSNET MARXISTS!

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 07/11/2012 08:52

What are you talking about Confused

You know when you read something so astonishingly stupid that you think it must have been written by an agent provocateur? Well that.

Besides, there's an argument to be made that the top echelons are blocking the way for newer, more dynamic talent. So even if what you're saying is true, every cloud and all that.

hackmum · 07/11/2012 08:57

Do we really want to keep these people who are so greedy, selfish and unpatriotic that they would rather leave the country than pay their fair share of tax?

Chopchopbusybusy · 07/11/2012 08:57

Brycie I don't like the name calling either but please do note that the OP used the name McMoron Hmm.
It's not really surprising that the vast majority of emigrants are professionals is it? If you have no skills other countries don't want you. My brother and his wife, my sister in law and one of my good friends have all emigrated in the past 20 years. DH and I considered it but taxation was not one of the reasons for any of us.

mignonette · 07/11/2012 08:59

Brycie

Old enough to remember several Cuntservative governments thank you very much.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 07/11/2012 09:00

Who is "McMoron" anyway?

LineRunner · 07/11/2012 09:03

I worked abroad for a while in my profession, for the experience, to learn a little of a new language, and to travel.

It had nothing to do with taxes.

I was very happy when I returned to Britain. Actually I felt like kissing the tarmac at Heathrow.

Portofino · 07/11/2012 09:03

I live abroad - in a country where the 50% rate starts at about 36000 euros and 40% at much less than that. Strangely there are much better public services.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief · 07/11/2012 09:09

Brown I think

LineRunner · 07/11/2012 09:15

Not McMillan then?

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 07/11/2012 09:17

Ah, thanks RichMan.

lljkk · 07/11/2012 09:18

Almost half of all Britons who emigrate each year are professionals and company managers

Who else would the Canadians-Australians-Singaporese let in? They are hardly going to jump up & down to take the least educated, poorest and most anti-social, are they?

Guess what? Most of the Sri Lankans-Indians-Indonesians-Nigerians that Britain lets in are also professionals and elite of their own societies. Funny that.

perceptionreality · 07/11/2012 09:22

'Not sure what class resentment has to do with being a Tory hater.'

Quite. Working class people vote tory - who you vote for has nothing to do with your social class, necessarily.

wordfactory · 07/11/2012 09:27

Well a lot of folk are leaving the UK.
Pretending otherwise is just daft.

But I don't think it is just a case of tax issues. There are many factors at play. One is definitely opportunity. There is little in the UK at the moment.

We only stay because my Mum is old now...

Brycie · 07/11/2012 09:30

Aw bless. With memory gaps where the Labour wankers fucked it up (hopefully this is the sort of language that suits your understanding best?)

Brycie · 07/11/2012 09:31

And yes McMoron is also a stupid thing to say - especially since it's not even clear who you're on about.

Brycie · 07/11/2012 09:32

Belgium has dreadful, terrible pockets of deprivation. Healthcare is largely privatised/mutualised.

wordfactory · 07/11/2012 09:32

We also need to bear in mind that a sizable minority of top tax payers in the UK are not from the UK.

Keeping them, and their money, here is not easy...

Brycie · 07/11/2012 09:33

"Working class people vote tory"

Try telling that to the liberal elite.

amarylisnightandday · 07/11/2012 09:33

This again? Idiot exp has been trotting out this Tory rhetoric for year - oooh we must tax the rich too much in case they leave the uk..... But it's fine to disproportionately tax the poor-is that in the hope they will leave?

mignonette · 07/11/2012 09:36

I do lowbrow and highbrow language- all inclusive, me....Grin. Know it hurts being called a Cuntservative. But the name seems to fit.

Brycie · 07/11/2012 09:37

The rich pay proportionately more tax Amarylis, as well as literally more.

Brycie · 07/11/2012 09:37

Actually scrub that - not rich. Higher earners?

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