To wonder why so many honour killings happen in Islamic countries when Islam preaches peace?

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Also, how could a parent who loves their child consider killing them for honour, or do the people that commit them not really love their children?

I did write a post cote but then i deleted it, but basically i disagree with you. and you conveniently forget the cases where womans testimony is worth more then mens.

in my area (manor park/forest gate) there are loads of alimah courses crescent.

anyway what was the point of the video?

The video seems to ask the same questions as being asked here and answers some too.

I think Sun News is a Canadian TV Channel.

I guess I wouldn't like the bone so much if people on this trhead didn't beat people over the head with "Are you Muslim?" "Do you know any Muslims?"

But I like to think that you will never discuss things about the UK Cote as you seem to think noone is qualified unless they have direct and personal experience of any given topic.

Capitalism needs the patriarchy, I would have thought God could do well without it. (Although this does go to the finer point that there really is no God)

so what I am saying posie is the partriarchy spans all belief systems and religions, that does not mean those belief systems condone the patriarchy, just that it has done what it does best and twist things to its own advantage as is its nature.

The same way honour killings span religions within particular cultures, this does not mean these religions condone honour killings, just that the patriarchy has done its best to twist things in those cultures.

No, ALL Abrahamic faiths support the patriarchy. They reinforce every last value of it.

"I did write a post cote but then i deleted it, but basically i disagree with you"

I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you

" I like to think that you will never discuss things about the UK Cote as you seem to think noone is qualified unless they have direct and personal experience of any given topic."

I have direct and personal experience of the UK. Just said we have a home there where we stay rather often. Can you read?

You could say that to me if I couldn't speak English, never visited the UK, and didn't know any English people.

Which is an apt comparison to your and Brycie's level of familiarity with Islam

But Islam is alive and kicking in the UK and Brycie lives here.

And I think it's a silencing tool.

There are some Muslim people living in the same country as Brycie (whom she doesn't know ) so that means she knows all about Islam, does it?

LOL!

CoteDAzur Mon 12-Nov-12 17:01:45
Yes, women can manage cake sales and stuff but can't be imams and they are not worth as much as witnesses as men - why? The implicit assumption is that they are somehow inferior to men. Lovable and precious creatures but still inferior to men.

BUT there is no base or reason why 'honour killings' happen in Islam? Are you for real?

I'm really going to ignore your bitchy personal snipes as you're not really worth it, you just make yourself look rather silly.

Brycie could live in the middle of Hackney for all you know, fucking hell could you be any more assumptive.

And stop with the you seem all angry and passive aggressive, which usually indicates defeat.

Why would anyone want to silence you, Posie? Are you under the impression that what you have to say is a hitherto unimagined & brilliant analysis of the situation that agents of Islam with an agenda want to bury?

And a second home, not paying UK tax, not having any personal investment in this country makes your comments a little less valid.

Posie - There is a distinction there that you are clearly not equipped to understand, despite much elaboration so far into this thread so you will just have to remain confused, I'm afraid

You're too much like a bitch in the school playground to engage with, from this point on with you're weird "Islam doesn't value women, but there's nothing in Islam that leads to 'honour killings'" is too much fuckwittery for one poster. So I'm ignoring you from this point on.

So someone helped you understand what you read and now you realise that I have "direct and personal experience" of the UK. Good for you, Posie. A bit slow but you got there in the end

... but you now say we can't talk about places where we don't pay tax even if we know those places really well? Wow, that's a bit of a pathetic clutch at straws, isn't it?

For your information, tax is paid where money is earned and I have no income whatsoever in the UK and therefore cannot possibly be liable to pay tax in the UK.

We pay council tax, if that makes you happy

I haven't said anything like "Islam doesn't value women"

You really need ongoing help with English comprehension.

104 more of these posts to go right? Before the thread 'closes' ?

What's the conclusion on all this then.

cote did mumsnet send you a pressie ;) I like you really you know!!

The conclusion is that any group that doesn't see women as equal have questions to answer regarding the treatment and control of women, DV in some South Asian countries are as many as 1:3 and it's no wonder that some of these victims end up dead.

I don't think one can separate "honour killings" and domestic violence.

The perceived honour is not something atheists recognise so much in 2012, that seems to be something religions do much better or much less progressive cultures.

so atheists dont commit domestic violence?

Of course they don't nailak., as posie says, it's all to do with religion!!!

You will never get through to some people. Try just don't seem to have that intellectual capacity.