To wonder why so many honour killings happen in Islamic countries when Islam preaches peace?

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Also, how could a parent who loves their child consider killing them for honour, or do the people that commit them not really love their children?

GAG is Gothwhatsherface

wonders how many tourists wear a headscarf when on holiday in dubai

One minute you are celebrating the freedoms we have in this country a view I share next you are questioning the choices some make in the way they dress

Well it's not against the law is it?

And I wouldn't visit Dubai, I can't understand why anyone would. A soulless place.

Silibili you used the word "pack". Read your own posts. if you want to withdraw it, that's fine. i would welcome that.

"You seem to want to agitate people and get a reaction."

The reaction I want is an acceptance of a connection between honour killings and Islam. There are people on this thread who are trying to insist that to say there is a connection is a sign of deep prejudice.

Every desperate effort has been made to deny this and now the cries are coming out of "racists!"

Any time you want to accept there is a connection, go ahead. Only when the connection is accepted can the problem be challenged in mosques and madrassas and communities.

Posie, what a tasteless, vile comment. You felt unsafe as a white woman? I am not going to hint that you are being racist, I am going to shout about it.

Cynner: you seem to have an attitude rather like those police and social workers in north-west England refusing to help teenagers who were being abused. That is: if you close your eyes the problem doesn't exist.

In fact that seems to be true of quite a few people on this thread.

I don't think the problem does not exist. It does. But it is not because of Islam.

I work within dv, I know of many agencies that work within the Muslim community that are run by Muslims, reasons given why they are run by Muslims for Muslims I have pointed out before. No women whatever her background, culture, religion or colour are not helped in some way where I work, and the women taht come to us are from all backgrounds. sadly funds restrict the amount of help we can give

No denials have been made that there are no problems within Muslim communities no community, country or culture is without problems some more than others but the problems are a cumulation of issues

I'm leaving this thread as between you and posie you are coming up with some really stupid ignorant and bigoted views.

This is no way to have a dialogue.

You (I mean brycie)

I have felt unsafe in some countries - but nothing to do with religion and all to do with places with a macho male dominated culture. Especially so where the perception of women/foreign women isn't great. Ive had foul experiences in France anbd Cyprus and a friend was raped in Greece.

This isnt about religion but region

How can we, as women stand up against female/child abuse and murder within families, whatever the religion? Sometimes religion will come into the equation (perhaps where the community is 'tight' but wasnt there also a scandal with an Amish community that just went unnoticed by the wider commuity).

There are issues with dv in muslim communities.

There are agencies trying to educate Muslims about how wrong dv is.

Honour killings exist in Islam and Sikhism and Hinduism, when I am on my pc I will link stories.

The people who do this often are not practicing Muslims, if you see them no beard no covering, did anyone watch exposure? The programme on ITV? Islam was not mentioned a lot, the community the culture was mentioned a lot more.

Also there was a story in BBC the other week of a white man who beat his daughter for shaming the family coz she dating a black man.

I agree with op, I cannot understand how someone can kill their daughter, how they can care more about peer pressure and what the community thinks then their daughters life. It is absolutely unthinkable to me.

I don't think their is a connection between honour killings an Islam. There are as many Hindu and Sikh honour killings. Leading me to believe it is a cultural thing.

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/29/hindu-honor-killings-yes-in-india/

http://www.honourkilling.in/

Christian honour killings http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/30/honour-killings-spreading-alarming-rate?cat=uk&type=article

Sikhs and Christians more likely to.condone violence against women then Muslims http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/2012/honour-crimes/

Oh man links failed, I'm on phone still!

ERm, I don't think anyone can deny that in all 'honour' killings the religion has a case to answer.

And why was it racist? Were you there in Morocco? Did you hear the 'white' comments made to me? Were you trapped in shops by groups of men? Did you also witness a distinct lack of women about the place?

This entire thread feels like one big go at Muslim people.

I honestly can't understand why you think this. It seems to me that this thread has involved people stating certain facts and some Muslims being incredibly defensive and in denial about certain things.

I have tried to keep my comments factual, objective and reasonable. I have criticised Christianity as well as Islam. I am certainly not having a go at anyone.

It is sad that a rational discussion on the subject of honour killings cannot be carried out without this level of obfuscation and counter-accusations (well, what about the crusades!!???, you must be in the BNP if you don't like the niquab etc)

Surely you must see that a religion (any) that separates and has different rules for men and women lead to things like honour killings?

Honour killings exist in certain cultures. Within those cultures it is not just Muslims who commit these crimes.

Does this not demonstrate that it is more to Di with culture then Islam?

And yes it is an issue. We as Muslims need to educate other Muslims about what is culture and what is Islam. We need to explain shariah to them, and that Islam does not advocate kangaroo courts and mob violence. We need to explain that preventing a woman marrying due to her chosen spouses race or tribe is haram.

They need to understand their actions are against Islam.

No poise secular law has different rules for men and women too.

I believe in equal but different.

But Nailik, there is a connection between religion and culture, hence many Muslims identify as Muslims and not British. (as do other faiths, but we're talking about Islam) I think it's pretty foolish to explain away some customs as culture and some as religious when the two are so entwined.

Secular law? Could you give me some examples.