to think that banning the use of the word "God" is a bit much?

[MiniMonty]

Need the opinions of many women and Mothers here...
The wife has suddenly stated that she is "offended" by our three kids (and me) saying "oh God" or "God in heaven" or "for God's sake" etc as she has recently become a bit God Squad and rediscovered her Christianity.

Caused a huge row over the kitchen table three nights ago and it rumbles on with wife being pretty committed to the idea that no one should be allowed to say "Oh God" or "for God's sake" etc.,

My view is that this is unreasonable (and a bit silly) and even if you take it seriously in terms of not offending peoples' religious ideas - still a bit silly.

Am I wrong?

It's been rumbling on for three days and nights now and I need something...

All and any cast iron responses to the religious bullying very much appreciated.

I don't say 'goodbye' because its short for 'god be with you' and I'm a raging atheist and it sort of offends me. I say Cheerio instead.

If be more worried by the sudden god bothering though....

"If men start becoming victims of sexism, then it'll become a massive deal and something will be done about it." You keep going on about men!

and totally dimissed my suggestion to read the Equality Illusion - as that is just one WOMAN'S opinion, so worth jack shit in your view, where as to me it is chock full of relevant statistics.

Oh Ghost, that's whole point, in the whole scheme of things it's not happening for "womens" sake, it's like pulling teeth. I'm not saying all men, I'm saying the majority of men will not give anything up without a sodding battle. How many times do women have to make an almighty stand to get one piddly little thing done? Yes, empathy should come into it but unfortunately it doesn't. The main mentality of men, not all but a lot, is still I'm king of the castle, I own you. A for instance is they call their "possessions" after women (as in the ads), they speak about their cars like they speak about women.. as in "oooh look how she handles, they call their boats after women and guess what they do with them "they drive them"

Sometimes Ghost the only way to get noticed is to fight the same fight honey. I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying it has to be done.

This is ridiculous.

Men should be able to be compassionate and work towards a world free from sexism, without facing it themselves. If we have to make them suffer before they'll actually get off their arses and do something about it, then what really is the point?

Like racism, I've never been a victim of real racism but I fight towards stamping it out.
So, why can't men fight sexism without having to go through it themselves?

as that is just one WOMAN'S opinion, so worth jack shit in your view

Don't you DARE try to insinuate I don't care about women's opinions. Don't you be so ridiculous. My whole career choice is built on women having opinions and having choices.

Just because I don't agree with the way you're approaching things doesn't mean you can try and make out I'm against women.

Sometimes Ghost the only way to get noticed is to fight the same fight honey. I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying it has to be done

I don't think so thought. I don't want to fight a battle if we have to lower ourselves to a sexists standards to win it.

Ok, an alagy here. Your at school and some kid (male or female,who cares) smacks you right in the face and taunts you. The advice is to go and tell the teacher which is all well and good but that won't stop it. You smack that kid right back harder, it stops. Im not saying its right all im saying is it works.

Quite Clipped. Ghost, I guess if you were a child when Monsters Inc came out you are still quite young - at least compared to me. I am not trying to get at you personally - just trying to point out that your argument is flawed. This is understandable as we all grow up under a sexist mantle. Honestly, read that book.

that was meant to read "analgy" its not about lowering yourself ghost its about doing what the other understands.

If a kid is screaming in my nursery, I don't stand above him or her, I get down to her level to explain. I'm not superior at all.

Portofino - I publicly reveal my age because I expect people not to patronise me about it. So please, don't.

This is just completely down to opinion. You want to fight fire with fire, whereas I think it's wrong. It's stooping to their level. I really don't want to have to become what I hate (a sexist) just to see change.

And I respect that you don't agree. I suppose we all have our different ways of dealing with things. Mine is to treat everyone as I want to be treated.

Whats this "lower ourselves bit" it's about equality surely? Ghost I would actually say that I'm fighting if i have to,which i do equally

"Don't you DARE try to insinuate I don't care about women's opinions. Don't you be so ridiculous. My whole career choice is built on women having opinions and having choices.

Just because I don't agree with the way you're approaching things doesn't mean you can try and make out I'm against women. "

I never did. I said you keep talking about the men. And your whole career is based on wonen having opinions and choices?? Um is that not the default position? Women have opinions and choices.

Ghost please believe me when i say in an ideal world this would be so, but it's not an ideal world and i don't live on that wonderful cloud. Sometimes you have to make people walk in your shoes fight fire with fire to have an outcome. I'd also like to treat people as I'd like to be treated but in real life that doesn't often happen. what does happen is you get treated like a mug. Lovely doesn't bread lovely in the already damaged. They only thing they understand is force.

Yes you did you said that her opinion would be worth jack shit to me because she's a woman, therefore implying that I don't care about women's opinions.

I want to be a midwife. And yes it should be the default position but its not always. A lot of women feel institutionalised during their pregnancy in birth, and aren't given the choices they are supposed to. This is something I want to fight.

Sorry x-post

Pregnancy and birth* not in

bread? lol. Breed of course.

If I had a choice and I'm not young so i've seen a lot of oppression, mostly not open but very very subtle as it goes underground (as at home). I'd fight it with as much fire as I could muster and for that I'm proud.

that's a very interesting subject Ghost because i had a ghastly birth with my son. I was told to bloody stay on some horrid bed in a very wrong position and lump it. By women by the way.

That makes me both very angry, and very very sad.

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

I think whilst men against women is bad, women against women is worse. We're supposed to look after each other.

So whats your battle then ghost?

Indeed - as you seem to be arguing for men.

And you discounted the book as one woman's opinion. What are we meant to take from that?

I haven't got a battle as such, not in the feminist sense. I want equality but don't agree with what you want to do to get it.

Portfino - you keep saying this. Just because I can aknowledge that men can be victims (although a lot less) too doesn't mean I'm fighting for them.

So Monsters Inc came out about 2000. Which makes you early 20s on your admission you were about 10 when it came out. To be honest, and I mean this kindly, you know jack shit.