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to think that banning the use of the word "God" is a bit much?

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MiniMonty · 11/10/2012 01:55

Need the opinions of many women and Mothers here...
The wife has suddenly stated that she is "offended" by our three kids (and me) saying "oh God" or "God in heaven" or "for God's sake" etc as she has recently become a bit God Squad and rediscovered her Christianity.

Caused a huge row over the kitchen table three nights ago and it rumbles on with wife being pretty committed to the idea that no one should be allowed to say "Oh God" or "for God's sake" etc.,

My view is that this is unreasonable (and a bit silly) and even if you take it seriously in terms of not offending peoples' religious ideas - still a bit silly.

Am I wrong?

It's been rumbling on for three days and nights now and I need something...

All and any cast iron responses to the religious bullying very much appreciated.

OP posts:
GhostShip · 14/10/2012 19:58

Portofino - both can be victims of sexism. And because I believe that thats exactly why you've targeted me in this thread.

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:01

I'm so aggrieved Clipped, because I got people trying to lecture me because I dared say a man is also a victim.

I question why it has gotten the response it has. Why on earth are people trying to question that? Its true.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:02

what i really don't like to be honest are women that bleat how awful life must be for men and how sexist women can be. Now that really pisses me off. It's like a double defector in so many ways.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:05

I also don't like women that say "ah bless him" he was hungry, ah bless him he doesn't understand, ah bless him, so much is against him these days what is he supposed to think.

It's a crock of shit.

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:05

I've not 'bleated' anything. Have you read my posts from the beginning? All I've ever said was in response to someone questioning me.

I didn't expect anyone to try to bloody argue with me after my first post. Because it's not like I said anything wrong, it was just a fact.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:08

Ghost honey, it's very very rarely true that's why. Life is so unequal still in 2012 it makes me want to cry, it's always two steps forward and one back.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:11

Yes, the work place is getting better purely because it has to, not much in the home has changed though still so ok ghost we know some men are victims of sexism but on the whole no they arent. I'm not saying you're wrong for pointing out a minority but I guess whilst things are still so unfair you will be shouted down.

Portofino · 14/10/2012 20:12

I said "victims of sexism". Yes some men maybe are but they are far in the minority. Feminism actually says that all should be treated fairly and equally you know, not just women.

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:15

Portofino - the practice what you preach then, because from what you've said earlier that last line isn't really something you believe in it would seem.\

And I thought femisim is about equality?

instead of sexism against women stopping altogether so we're on even keel, it would seem that some would prefer sexism against men to increase so it's equal that way. Some have been positively gleeful that men are shown in a bad ligh. I don't get it.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:19

that is actually a good point ghost. My only response to that can be that maybe making someone walk in anothers shoes isn't a bad thing. It's not the ideal answer of course but when you've felt suppressed for so long, as a lot of women have, me very included by the way is a bit of your own medicine can sometimes be a cure.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:20

once the medicine has been swallowed so to speak then both can come to the table to have an equal divide.

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:22

My only problem with that is, if sexism only becomes a big deal to men because they're being made victims of it, then it defeats the whole point. I do understand though how some would like to give a taste of their own medicine

Portofino · 14/10/2012 20:23

Noone is saying sexism against men should increase. The point of the adverts is that reinforces male./female stereotypes. Be it man as a footstool or hapless man in the kitchen. None of them are preaching equality. But it is ironic that people complain when a MAN is shown is a sexist light, when we are surrounded by ads./tv etc where women are portrayed thus. This is how entrenched sexism is. If you could only see that, well I would shut up [grin
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GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:24

I never complained, I merely pointed out to someone who was blind to them.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:26

But ghost that isn't going to happen really is it? I can only personally speak for myself here but my intention is not to conquer, it's to show another person how it feesl to be an object that should be kept in their place. How really is the other person going to know that unless they feel it too? No amount of talking and explaining will do that. Experience will.

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:34

Someone shouldn't have to go through something to show compassion towards it and to know its a worthy cause.

If sexism towards men increases, if it got on par with sexism against women (which lets be honest it probably wont) sexism will become a much bigger issue in mens eyes. and it would be addressed. But I want it to be a big issue to them regardless. It's no good if it only becomes an issue coz they're going through it, because then they're still blind to the fact its women who suffered from the beginning.

Portofino · 14/10/2012 20:41

Of course it is not on a par. Sexism against women is an institutional thing. Men are not going to become aware because of a couple of ads on the tv. Men will become aware when they get sent to prison, or find their wives and children leaving them, or find their employees taking them to tribunals. A man as a footstool is just not going to cut it.

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:46

Portfino - Can I just ask what was the point in your post?
I don't understand what point you're trying to argue now at all.

I'm not even arguing a point now, just musing.

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:50

Why would sexism become a bigger issue in mens eyes Ghost? Why would they be blind to the fact if they went through it? Are you saying that they would be far more aggrieved and become far more aggresive?

ClippedPhoenix · 14/10/2012 20:52

Ok then ghost so your philosophy on this is be so nice that they suddenly sit up and say blimey, how awful of us let's make it right? Really?

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:55

Clipped:

If men start becoming victims of sexism, then it'll become a massive deal and something will be done about it.
This shouldn't have to happen, it should be a massive deal to them anyway. They should be standing to make a change for womens sakes, not just when they start being affected by it.

And no, thats not it either. But its completely defeating the point of 'equality', if we have to make them suffer before they'll open their eyes to how serious a situation it is.

Portofino · 14/10/2012 20:56

Ghost - so from what I can understand, you are arguing that SOME men are being discrimnated against. That is fair enough, and it is wrong. But if you are using that as an argument againt the fact that WOMEN are universally discrimnated against, well you are on a sticky wicket.

Portofino · 14/10/2012 20:58

And in your opinion - how DO we open their eyes?

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 20:59

Portfino -

when i mentioned that men are discriminated against, I had no point to prove. It was just a passing comment.

Now the thread, and my conversation, has moved on and I'm just saying what I think.

argument againt the fact that WOMEN are universally discrimnated against, well you are on a sticky wicket
where have I said anything of the sort?

GhostShip · 14/10/2012 21:00

And in your opinion - how DO we open their eyes?

I don't know. I'm not pretending to have all the answers. But I think we should be raising the bar, not stooping to sexists level.

2 wrongs dont make a right

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