to ask who has had botox or fillers or plastic surgery of some kind?

[wrinklesandproud]

(namechanged for this).

I can honestly say that having any of the above has never entered my mind. I'll be 40 next year. I have some wrinkles on my forehead, a neck that seems to be looking increasingly wobbly and wrinkly, and crinkles all round my eyes. But I just thought that was what happened as you got older. No-one I knew until very recently has ever had any 'work done'. Botox was something you read about in Grazia magazine.

But we've moved recently to a new area and (public) school and it seems that with the people where we live it is the norm to go for regular botox and/or fillers and/or other surgery from boob jobs to liposuction. This is discussed the same way buying a new dress would be chatted about over coffee. For the first time in my life I feel as though I am the odd woman out for just going au natural. I am starting to be swayed by their way of thinking, whereas previously I never could have imagined me having any of this stuff done.

So I'm just curious to know how many mumsnetters have either had any of these things done (if so what) and if not, would you consider it?

I sort of feel as though having stuff done is cheating, but if you're the only sucker not cheating, you end up as the loser.

Wow chipped what a disgusting way to talk about your supposed friend. Who needs enemies eh?

Perhaps the reason you're so wrinkly is going around frowning in distaste at women who haven't primped and preened to your exacting standards.

Eccentrica don't you worry, she is so in tune with herself, centred and grounded and at peace with the universe that she would laugh and carry on plaiting her leg hair.

That's great. She sounds like a much better person than you.

I'm 33 and I'm planning on having Botox on my forehead lines soon, probably would have before but was scared of needles until I had DD

Noticed 'Izzy' from Coronation Street has had it done and it looks great, she looks so much younger.

Ha, ha - just googled before and after botox pics. The show someone who is obviously scowling their face off and then the after they show a relaxed face. Really convincing.

Farbetter, you seem to have difficulty constructing a logical argument, you also appear to confuse facts with opinions:)

Of course I know that botox may turn out to have unwanted side effects, I weighed it up and decided to take my chances, there are procedures that I wouldnt have done because for me the benefits wouldnt justify the cost/risk.
Thats a decision for the individual.

I suspect the real reason behind the finger wagging about cosmetic enhancements is not just concerns about health but a feeling that there is something morally wrong with looking 'artificially young'

yes it puts pressure on other people to conform to a certain standard of youth and beauty, but does anyone complain about women who dye their grey hair, and exercise because it puts pressure on other women who prefer not to bother with all that.

(Incidentally hair dye can be dangerous, some people get anaphylactic shock!)

Perhaps we shouldnt wear bra's, then we could all have natural breasts with nipples brushing our knee's :o

Damn. Just realised if I couldn't scowl or frown, I would probably explode! I need my facial expressions. All of them, not just the pretty ones!
All my close friends are beautiful ( its true, I dont know why) and are talking about getting botox (mid thirties) and I am worried that they will no longer be able to raise their eyebrows at my outfits :o

I couldn't scowl or frown, I would probably explode! I need my facial expressions. All of them, not just the pretty ones

I used to think that, then I began to look closely at the faces of people in their 40's/50's.
I looked at how the lines created by those expressions became etched deeper and deeper, crows feet carved out over the entire sides of the face, frown lines which made a face look angry even when at rest.

I prefer my current serene look, not sure if frowning less has actually made me more serene

It all depends on your bone structure and the elasticity in your skin.
I know 80/90 year-olds without a line on their faces. One I asked her to frown for me, but nothing moved - I said no harder- but she said was. We had a laugh. But I did notice she had a convex bone structure between her eyes, above the nose - slight bulge- which stopped her skin from moving.

But my sister did a lot of frowning in her 40s/50s and her skin did go into creases. She is now in her 60s, and not one has become permanent . She does have crows feet though, but none on her cheeks or under her eyes. She has an oily skin where mine is dry.
She was told as a teenager, when sis was annoyed she had a few spots and I had none, that she would age better than me and have fewer wrinkles.
Dry skins are well-known for wrinkling more than oily ones.

I sleep on my front, and it has squidged up my lips so I look like I have smokers lines .

Mercury "I used to think that, then I began to look closely at the faces of people in their 40's/50's. I looked at how the lines created by those expressions became etched deeper and deeper, crows feet carved out over the entire sides of the face, frown lines which made a face look angry even when at rest. I prefer my current serene look, not sure if frowning less has actually made me more serene"

mercury - do yo realise how screwed up that sounds. Talk about paranoia and getting your priorities wrong!

I would never botox my forehead
because I am paid to think and consider and constructively criticise
and limitation on my facial expressions would be a limitation on my earnings

the frown lines I'm ambivalent on : I try to smile all I can, but the two furrows give the appearance of pissed off and softening them might make me earn more ...

I personally draw the line with something I put on my body vs something I put in it (unless it's a normal biological process - eating, breathing). I also don't want to put too much emphasis on my looks over anything else. Having said that, I'm concerned as a genetically rather wrinkly 30 something that my face will start affecting my career in the next 10 years.

Friends who have had Botox look naturally wrinkle-free - I'd never have guessed. But they're in their 30s. It's so obvious on someone mid 40s plus if they've even slightly overdone it.

my priorities are not 'wrong' they are my priorities I chose them and they are therefore exactly right for me

mercury A does not imply B. Anorexics prioritise not eating above everything else, including fertility, friends, family and staying alive.
Just because they chose their own priorities doesn't mean they can't be wrong!

Mercury7 thank goodness you have access to MN and the omnipotent and omniscient Begoniabampot et al to tell you where your priorities should be!

How fucking patronising!

do I need to consult a panel of priority experts who will tell me if my priorities are right or wrong?

Or can eccentrica and begonia give me a list of permitted priories?
What are the criteria by which I should judge my priorities?
Please tell me how I ought to live my life, oh wise ones

mercury could not care less what you do or don't do. This thread was about pros and cons of surgery in general, not about you.

No one cares if you want to continue being a sucker , risking your health and pouring money into the pockets of unscrupulous charlatans who get rich off gullible old women with more money than sense. Just don't ask the government to fix it for you next time it turns out that it gives you cancer or makes your fake tits explode.

gullible old women with more money than sense
I love you too sweetcheeks

(I dont have fake tits)

FarBetter,

It is my understanding that proper breast implants leaky or not if made from the correct filling have so far not been shown to increase risks of cancer in children ( obviously I'm talking about the children of mothers who have the implants not that children have them) or in the woman who has them, there is also no risk from breast feeding if you have medical grade implants.

The current situation with implants and cancer being talked about in the media is referring to pip implants that were filled with industrial grade silicone not medical grade.

Medical grade silicone has been used in medical devices and various implants for many many years with very little controversy unless of course it comes down to breast implants.

Industrial silicone is the stuff used in mattresses,cars and the construction industry I think waterproofing bricks is a frequent use its not the same thing

(You will)

you mean you hope I will, so that they will 'explode' just as the rest of me is rotting from the cancer that you hope I'll get

And breast implants do not explode,in some fairly rare incidents milk production if happening when you have the op can cause a problem with wound healing and subsequently the wound bursting as can infection.an infection would more usually be caused by lack of aftercare or bad practice as opposed to it being a standard thing.

Most modern implants are cohesive gels you could drive a car over them and they won't explode, even if they do for some weird reason have the shell tear or anything like that they won't leak because its not a liquid its a gummy bear type gel.

I've had botox since my early thirties but I have crap skin and so does my mum, yes its vain but I like looking fresh for my age. I wouldn't go further than this on my face though I realise I'm never going to look 20 again.
I had breast implants after ds1 as my boobs totally collapsed and it did have a really negative impact on me.
I did all my research carefully beforehand and didn't go for the cheapest option thankfully in the wake of the pip scandal.
I thinknif your happy in yourself and the way you look then thats great, I am truly envious and wish it was me!