to think mumnset won't be happy to hear middle class parents drink too much?

[Toothiepeg]

I don't drink at all. I agree with the findings of www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19870190 this study. I'm guessing though that many mumsnetters will dislike hearing the truth?

As a nation we drink too much - it's as simple and horrible as that.

Actually the guidelines were plucked out of the air, based on when some people first start to show signs of ill affects (and these vary).

Would find a link, but can't think where to start, but there have been many interviews and investigations into why the limit is set as it is... Going over the limit does not mean you will die, or become ill, or are an alcoholic. It's based on the average quantity where ill affects start to surface on some.

It's not denial. I drink more than gov guidelines some of the time. I watch my intake but don't fret if I have all weekly units on one good night, or if I've had a glass (small) of wine every day for a month...

Interesting point though Hecate when I know I've been overdoing it (usually after a holiday) I don't talk about it so much, so I think it's totally logical that you were careful way before you're problem got out of hand. I know that because I LIKE drink, I am probably more at risk of developing a problem than someone who doesn't. I am careful.

aldi, I quite agree. I enjoy drinking frequently, but if I have a night out with friends I am the most sober (and sadly, the first to leave, because I love my bed). I'm not saying you are a killjoy like me, but I agree with moderation, not abstention.

'So you're saying that people are either teetotal or dependant on alcohol?'

errr no - I said 'if you drink more than guidelines' - guidelines aren't zero. Do you actually know what the guideline amount for a woman is?

Helpful site here if not. Also there's a good calculator on that site so you can work out exactly how many units you've consumed.

Alibaba - I have older children actually, not tots. I've talked to them about drinking as about many things and encouraged them to respect their health in all aspects of their life. I don't expect that they will never to drink to excess. (When I was much younger I certainly did on occasion too.) I do expect they will be armed with a good example and accurate information to make good choices though. Sorry to burst your merlot bubble. No hysteria here. it's not needed.

Clearly I wouldn't have had time to read your new post and agree with it - was referring to your other one!

So I can't even drink to much without it being a class issue?
Bugger.

Camperfan no problem, and feel free to disagree with any posts too.

I'm not a killjoy, I just know when I've have enough to be enjoying myself, when my mates don't stop, end up vomiting or forcing the 'party' to last long after it ended, I'm rather glas I know when to stop... that's not being a killjoy!

*too much.

Some people drink more after a baby. 1 in 6.

Therefore 5 in 6 people are either drinking less, or no more than they were before they had children!

Do you actually know what the guideline amount for a woman is? Helpful site here if not. Also there's a good calculator on that site so you can work out exactly how many units you've consumed.

Wow toothiepeg before this I just thought your were smug and irritating, now however I think you are a patronising, passive aggressive cow. I think everyone is aware of the government guidelines thank you very much. Tell me though, why though do you feel the need to preach at everyone in such a zealous manner and why exactly are you so agitated about how much other people choose to drink?

So Toothie - to balance it. Are you overweight? Do you eat too much, the wrong things? Do you smoke? Take crack at the weekend?

Unless you are a paragon of all the virtues, then it is best to keep quiet. People in glass houses...

I'm not Hecate and know nothing about her drinking!

Eeep! Sorry Helpyourself not sure what I was thinking.. must have been the H. Lame excuse. Apologies.

And sorry to hecate too!!

*- DC doing too many activities

• DC doing too few activities due to work committments
• working
• not working
• pushing DC too hard academically
• making life too easy for DC.
• feeding their DC too much
• feeding their DC too little
• too much TV
• not allowing their DC access to TV....*

you middle classers are fooked

toothie most people are not alcohol dependent though (types with shakey hand )

Hic. We even get booze at communion.

Actually, when I go back to Scotland I am quite amazed at the amount of booze in peoples' trollies when I do the shopping.

We don't drink huge amounts at home - quality not quantity (so we don't get hideous hangovers from Thunderbird).

Self-proclaimed smuggery is the type of thing that puts me off listening to anything the poster has to say. Just saying.

I don't get why you bloody well care so much about what other people do.

expat see the soap you have where did you get it Id quite like to smell of whiskey and heather just to mess with people Sounds like a scottish soap company concoction

lljkk - how do you feel about pedants? I didn't actually proclaim myself as smug. I responded to accusations of smuggery by agreeing, smuggly.

from here. It's gorgeous!

I also yearn for this gin and tonic shower gel I saw in a catalogue. I hate the taste of gin but this looks like it'll smell lovely.

I'm curious as to how this thread has borne out your theory that MNetters were going to hate this research. I haven't seen anyone reacting to it in any way other than the appropriate level of scepticism because it appears to be slightly rubbish "research".

I find this thread odd, to be honest. You find a crap bit of pseudo-science, make a sweeping generalisation about the demographic of a random parenting forum, and reach a rather unlikely opinion as to how the aforementioned crap science will impact upon the said forum members.

Why?

Disclaimer: DP and I generally drink about a bottle to a bottle and a half of wine between us each week. So no, not feeling remotely defensive about being a pair of middle-class lushes.

Oh thanks expat I can see it now people sniffing me as i take jaydog a walk

Well put kungfu.
Though I drink waaay more than that.

I prefer a box of wine myself, 10.99 in Tesco.

LBE - I was on a large glass a night not so long ago! It's only since DS2 started sleeping through consistently that we have reverted to normal drinking levels!

DP occasionally has a beer during the week as well, as he works away, but I don't see that so it doesn't count!