I have had enough of Phillip sodding Schofield and his apologist attitude towards Jimmy Savile

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Last week, it was saying how sorry he felt for JS's family to the VICTIMS of JS fgs, basically saying that he knew the layout of the dressing rooms at the BBC and he can't imagine that happening and no-one seeing and now, just, he said "But that's what television and radio was like in those days"

Errr, no Phil. Rape/molestation has ALWAYS been wrong, you daft twat. Yes, they were sexist times but there is a world of difference between sexual assaults on underage girls and sexist banter/inequality in the workplace.

And you have young daughters IIRC, Phillip. Shame on you.

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It's a bizarre reaction especially as in the passed he had such a 'holier than thou' attitude when celebrities have been caught taking drugs etc.

Certainly sexism was rife at that time, just thinking of those hideous Benny Hill series amongst others. But at least those Hill's angels were older.....weren't they?

I know what you mean, Chickens. I used to love Phil but some of his comments over the last week have made me do this face a fair few times.

I think we all know what times were like in the 70s/80s. By saying "Oh well, times was different then" he's excusing rape/sexual abuse. He just seems like his sympathy is slanting very much towards JS and I don't feel comfortable with anyone taking that stance.

Was that biscuit for me MrsHardigan?

How lovely of you.

JS wasn't married and didn't have children so don't know who his family are. Very disappointed to hear that about PS, with attitudes like that in the entertainment industry it's no wonder these poor children were abused. Thing is, it's 2012 and are things any better? I don't believe so if idiots like PS are coming out with that sort of crap.

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Fuck the family's feelings! and I certainly wouldn't be so insensitive

Excuse me whilst I laugh at the irony.

But surely the culture was different then. That does not make it right, but there was not as much equality as there is now. Slapping your secretary on the arse would not have resulted in charges for example. It was not right, which is why it was changed, but it WAS different.

Sandy tolsvig (sp?) said pretty much the same on the Andrew Marr show yesterday. This stuff was deemed more acceptable by some at the time (again, wrong, that's why things changed). JS should be fully investigated and those poor victims should get some closure, but I don't think PS was wrong on this.

If they wanted money, they would have come out with this during his lifetime. He could have paid them to keep schtum. They were obviously too scared. Philip schofield is an idiot and I bet he has heard about these rumours during his time at the BBC.

I'm starving, can I have a biscuit too, please.

Philip has a one year old? Thought his girls were older?

He has various nephews/nieces scattered about. Some of them are saying now that JS took them to these revolting "parties" so I'm not even saying that his family don't deserve sympathy. How awful would you feel if your uncle/cousin etc had been accused of this type of thing? But you wouldn't say that to one of his VICTIMS.

Imagine if you were reporting a rape to the police and in passing, a police officer said "How awful for his family"

Little I watched an interview with some of his family members after he had died, I remember there being a young woman there who I - wrongly - thought was his daughter. My bad.

I think it's very easy to have sympathy for abusers family and the abuseds family. Sympathy for everyone.

No sympathy for his enablers though.... How safe are their families? Who is sacred to them?

Imagine if you were reporting a rape to the police and in passing, a police officer said "How awful for his family"

Good job this was a topical chat show and not the bloody police then, isn't it?

If I hear another person say 'but why are they coming out with these stories NOW?' I might punch someone.

i think with the april's mum thing and the 1 year old thing, shirley is talking about her boss at work, not PS

I don't think it was acceptable to sexually abuse underage girls in the 70's.

I don't think anyone apart from the most base wankers thought it was acceptable to be honest. JS knew he'd be in deep shit if it all came out, some of the stuff he said about not having a computer in case he got "framed" for looking at young girls, some of the stuff he said in his autobiographies indicate to me that he knew he wqas a vile individual.

But Jimmy Saville did not have a spouse, neither did he have any children. He had some siblings and some nieces and nephews. I'm sure they are coping, especially since they knew already that he was an abuser.

All my sympathy is saved for the actual victims, the children he abused.

I think this morning's goings on with what he said has put him in a foul mood-he seems a bit distracted now.

I think that some people would really rather deny that rape and child abuse ever happen, just so they don't have to deal with it. It's a 'head in the sand' mentality. If someone comes along and tells you that a figure in your life, who has never hurt you, has done something awful, perhaps the default setting for these people is to just back away shaking their heads. I can understand the urge, tbh. Problem is, if everyone does that, the abusers keep abusing, and the victims keep getting abused. I have heard many people, men and women, say that this should just be dropped now that Saville is dead. Personally, I'm ok with his 'good name' being dragged through all manner of foulness if that is the truth.

On a separate note, I do always feel a bit sorry for the families of abusers/rapists. Not in detraction from the victims, but I do think 'Fuck. Imagine going through life with X as your father/brother/son etc.'. Because there is a stigma, and it can be wholly undeserved. I don't feel sorry for them that the abuser has been brought to justice, just that they are tainted by their relatives actions iyswim.

He said it was a different era and different culture but that in no way excuses the abuse.

People on the chat thread Jimmy SoVile part 3, want to start a campaign, if anyine feels strongly take a look.

It was suggested BEAR for wider public and POMBEAR in mn.

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We were wanting to start on Twitter, maybe PS could be a start to heae about BEAR?

What difference does that make MrsHardigan?

PS saying to someone who's been abused that he feels sorry for the abusers family is crass at the very least.