mothers who plan to bottle feed should take in their own milk

[thebeesnees79]

If a woman decided prior to baby being born they shouldn't expect the hospital to provide bottles and milk they should bring their own?
Why should the nhs give out milk? aibu?

Dd is 17 months and absolutely fine. She just wasn't a great feeder. Even with bottles, I was the only on at could feed her for the first few months, i had to teach my mum how to get a bottle in her mouth as she was just awkward :) My only regret is that I never managed to bf any of mine, it seems that when my babies were programmed they forgot to add the breast feeding is natural gene and all three were either to lazy or awkward to do it!

nim thanks for that link. it is basically what I was saying and the discussion never resorted to personal insults like this thread did.
Its nice to read adults having a proper discussion/debate without mud slinging and people getting called a twat & r***!

Beesnees can you honestly not see why people were upset by the wording of your question? I do think there is a tendency to make ff mothers feel like shit a lot of the time and thus thread seemed to be yet another attack

fairyjen to be fair you don't know me and I am no breast feeding Nazi I promise. My daughter started getting a bottle at night from about 12 weeks old. I hate all the faff with bottle feeding and I am too lazy to get out of bed and stand making bottles this is why I choose to breast feed. Its easy, the milk is there and he right temp and I don't have to get out of bed, plus it helps me loose weight lol.
I am not one of those people who thinks formula is poison, to me its a great sleep helper (I blame breast feeding for my sons poor sleep habits which he only just grew out of at age 3ish)
My opinion was a little twisted to sound like a breast v's bottle argument but was far from it. I am of the opinion that the nhs don't owe me anything and I take everything (apart from food because that's logisticaly impossible) with me even my own towel.
I did not deserve to be called a twat or a r, if people don't agree with my opinions that's fine, I don't expect everyone to think how I do and be all hugs and kisses. But I do expect people to not be rude and resort to personal insults. I would never call a stranger a twat/r ever, unless they hit me or my kids etc.
can you not see my perspective?

I am fairly new to mn, only been posting about 3 weeks so my bad. I still wouldn't name call if someone had an outlandish opinion I would debate it.
I am 38 weeks pregnant so maybe I am oversensitive? but twat & r*** are harsh.

Immediately after the birth the mother should be recovering and bonding with her baby, not fretting about making up bottles. If breastfeeding you get extra support (well you're supposed to), the least that can be done for FF mothers is to make it a bit easier to feed post birth by providing a sterile teat and pre-made bottle.

It doesn't matter how you intend to feed, all that matters is that when you have just given birth you need support!

I can see your perspective, however you created a thread under aibu and you must expect that some people will think you are! I think it's great if you take everything you need and so did I apart from formula. The second time took nothing as was very prem and so not prepared! Bottom line tho your wrong if you think the nhs owe you nothing. If that's case why do you pay taxes?

When midwife or whoever is helping with bf this is a wage paid for a service so why should they not pay for formula? I didn't use any bf support but why should I miss out on being supported with ff?

I have been a reader of mn for years but not been posting that long. At the end of the day I have seen the link nim added and yes the conversation was more "grown up" but I think that was due to the wording etc of the question.

I made an apology over my comment however I have not read anything that suggests that you are sorry for offending people. I have come under attack several times over ff and I did not expect to face it on mn.

Are you saying that essentially women should be punished for the choice they make? Will she have a special badge if she has a good enough excuse just in case the BF enthusiasts sneer at her accidently thinking she is just lazy or stupid?

but I never attacked anyone for wanting to ff. It was a question "could the nhs save money by making mothers who choose ff bring in their own food" Not you don't deserve the formula because your not breast feeding. I never personally attacked anyone so what am I saying sorry for exactly? Asking if its unreasonable to take formula in for your baby?
Mums who are on a low income get milk tokens to help buy formula if needed. Show me a quote which was offensive to an individual or personally attacked someone and I will say sorry

Fairyjen has apologised repeatedly and had the post removed. Move on, she made some very valid points also so how about focusing on that now

theodorakis read the whole thread before asking me a question like that?!

My hospital where DD was born and where I hope to have my next one in 6 weeks has a weird policy. They have a policy of not providing formula (and info says you must bring in your own), but they dont have any facilities.

I cant breastfeed due to medication that I have to take, so therefore I was counted as medical exemption and allowed hospital formula. I was in for three days and the whole process was horrendous with me having to waddle over to find a midwife when I needed to feed DD, be told no formula, have to explain the whole thing and get them to read my notes, then they would reluctantly unlock the cupboard and hand me one single use bottle,, usually with a sour look. Repeat every three hours.

We did ask if we could bring in our own, but were told there were no facilities for sterilising or making up bottles so had to use the hospital provided (so not sure why they say in all their info that you must bring in your own).

I have often wondered what people who choose not to bf or cannot for other reasons do? Do they have to 'prove' that they have tried.

Haven't read the whole thread as it's huge by now, but I went into hospital 3 times (3 DC), intending each time to BF. Had EMCS, couldn't BF, very upset about that. Had to send DH to Boots to get bottles, etc for home as had not even considered I would have to FF. What should have happened to me/us? Should the baby have starved until I'd paid up or brought in my own formula? Things don't always go to plan. I was upset at having a CS, too, as no one I knew well had had one until me. Definitely no one in my family. They'd all BF, too.

usualsuspects that's your interpretation of my words, not my words saying that!
I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself and its becoming rather tedious. it was not intended to be a breast vs bottle debate, so please can we drop the inferior argument. I don't think I am above on bellow anyone else, equal that's all.

What an odd thing to post about saving money though.

What it I put that the elderly patients should not be allowed food? It's just wierd.

I'm aware this is already policy in some hospitals but this (I was told at ours) was more about increasing bf rates than saving them money.

you know what I came back to get my opinion across because it had been so badly warped and now I just give up. Think what you like and if you want to label me as a breast feeding Nazi go ahead I just don't care anymore. My opinions are valid and I never insulted anyone personally.

I am going to have a cup of tea and relax now

I don't see how its treating breast feeding and bottle feeding mothers equally if you expect the ones who choose to bottle feed to be getting up wandering about the hospital at all hours to make/sterilise/cool bottles, since I believe they aren't supposed to be made up in advance anymore, especially as partners aren't allowed in overnight to help, and hospitals are already understaffed and over worked.

Op have a cuppa I'm sure your not a nazi.

I don't agree with you, I haven't insulted you. I just think you could pick a lot of better things to save the nhs a few quid.