to think it is terrible to do this to a child?

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I know this is a contentious subject, and the surrounding comments are best ignored. It's just the video content that appalls me.

I thought this thread had gone?

Apparently not

Is this not the same thing?

maymoon,
Only if the child is being taught hatred of racial groups, like the one in the OP.

but she is not being taught hatred, people have explained that but you have ignored it, the little girl in the other clip has been taught nonsense that is not in Quran, however the part about Jews having Allahs wrath in the OP is something from the QUran which is saying Allah was angry as they worshipped the calf, and after they wandered in the desert for 40 years due to that.

So basically you are quoting it out of the context which is meant.

Now those of you who are athiest and firm in your atheism. Just imagine for one minute that as firm as you were in your atheism, you are in a religion. you KNOW it is the truth, you KNOW it is the best way of life. Wouldnt you teach your children?

Dont you teach your children the things that you believe? like you believe it is ok to be homosexual and that racism is wrong etc you teach your kids that stuff, you guide them, you dont wait for them to be old enough to make up their own minds.. If you think that sex under the age of 16 is not good you guide your child to that, if you think that being eco friendly is important you guide your child to hat, your child cannot be seperate from a lifestyle and belief system that inviolves all facets of your life.

Enjoy your thread OP

Teaching morals and equality is not the same thing nailak.

nailak,
She is asked 'who is your lord?' and then 'who was struck by him?'
She is being taught to follow her lord's ways.
What conclusion can she possibly draw from this other than the named people are to be disliked/scorned/hated/struck?
Whatever religion she is being taught, and whoever the victims are, this is wrong.

Just imagine for one minute that as firm as you were in your atheism, you are in a religion. you KNOW it is the truth, you KNOW it is the best way of life. Wouldnt you teach your children?

Nope. Atheism is absolutely NOT about knowledge. I do not presume to "know" that there's no god - I just don't happen to believe that there is because I have no good reason to.

My son was left alone to make up his own mind. He was a Christian for about 5 weeks (and yes, I took him to church at his request) before he became a Buddhist for nearly 3 years. He's now an atheist - but he's got there by himself, Nailak, rather at odds with your clear belief that children should be, basically, brainwashed into believing what you do.

like you believe it is ok to be homosexual and that racism is wrong etc you teach your kids that stuff, you guide them, you dont wait for them to be old enough to make up their own minds. Very poor comparison. Teaching them respect for other people is not quite the same as teaching them that your god exists and wants them to behave & live a certain way. Tell them what you believe, by all means, but make it clear that they should make up their own minds - and give them the freedom to do that.

Ok fine, if you believe healthy eating is important you won't give them fried food everyday, you will make sure you teach them about nutrition, and from a young age they don't eat a lot of sweets etc.

Other people won't teach their kids this, will give sweets all the time, regularly fry foods and take kids to fast food places.

Is the person who teaches about healthy eating wrong as they should wait for the child to decide for themselves?

"what.conclusions can she draw" go ask a muslim who has been taught Islam from a young age like this. You will see the conclusion they draw is not about hating anyone, as people on this thread are trying to explain.

There's evidence (lots) that healthy eating is important.

There's none whatsoever that your god exists.

Another shaky comparison there.

ooh...another muslim bashing thread!!

Just imagine for one minute that as firm as you were in your atheism, you are in a religion. you KNOW it is the truth, you KNOW it is the best way of life. Wouldnt you teach your children?

N. Technically, I am considered to be an atheist as I do not think there is a God. Because of my belief in science, I have to acknowledge that you cannot be 100% certain about anything. There IS a chance that I am wrong just as there is a chance that everyone else is wrong about their beliefs. The best thing I can do for my child is to teach them about the world as and when their curiosity is roused and to always encourage them to question where 'facts' come from.

ooh...another muslim bashing thread!!

As many people have commented, if this was any other list of religious beliefs it would be just as wrong (if you believe it to be wrong). Anyone on this thread that is singling this out as a 'muslim' thing is missing the point completely.

We're a Christian family and DD comes to Church with us. We say grace and we do prayers at bedtime. She hasn't been baptised as she can make up her mind when she's older.

DD is too young to ask lots of indepth questions, her knowledge is basic and although she does bible story things at Church we also make a point of ensuring she knows about lots of other things too. TBH DD could probably tell you more about her favourite cbeebies shows than Jesus - it's about proportion and her exploring things in an age appropriate way (3yo), not her knowing lots of things by rote that she doesn't understand.

I think you could replace religion in this example with any family/parent beliefs and passing them onto your children e.g. non-God views, vegan/vegetarianism etc. There's families who drum all sorts into their kids and probably loads more families who try to walk a middle line, steering them in the areas you think are important while letting them work out their views along the way.

PurpleCrazyHorse if i believed something to be absolutely true, and that thing was the only thing that would ensure that my DC would be looked after eternally by a benevolent, omnipotent power that somehow loved her even more than I do (which, as a Christian, I presume you do believe?) you can bet your life I wouldn't be trying to temper that view or walk a middle line.

If I didn't really believe all that though, I suppose I might be a bit more laissez faire ....

machadaynu not a middle line in my personal faith but a middle line with DD's learning at a young age so we don't indoctrinate her but she makes her own decision when she's old enough. Of course I hope she does become a Christian for reasons you outline (amongst others) but not because she's doing it to please us or knows nothing else. I want nothing more than her to choose it for herself whilst knowing there's other choices too.

Aw, very cute little girl. Within her culture this is probably perfectly acceptable - I'm sure Catholics used to teach children the Hail Mary in much the same way, and you'd be praised and probably rewarded for knowing it off by heart.

Parents do pass on their beliefs, faith and culture to their children. Don't see the problem with this at all.

No need to duck in fact it's good to have your beliefs, actions and parenting choices questioned. Maybe I am too middle of road?

What a cutie pie. I am a 100% athiest and I am not bothered by this. It is not too dissimilar to the type of 'brainwashing' that lots of other religious people do to there DC's.

I think the guys shouty voice makes it seem worse than it is.

PurpleCrazyHorse I have no idea, what do you think?

I don't envy you having to answer all the blazing logical questions a 3 year old will ask about God though!

machad thats exactly what i was trying to say!

What a beautiful and sweet little girl. I did find the tone of voice the questioner used a bit scary - and the speed he spoke! As to teaching those things to a young girl, I don't have a problem with people teaching their religious beliefs to their kids, although I wish all religions didn't exist. Each to their own - I did have a problem with the bit about the Jews and the Christians as that seemed immoral to teach negative attitude towards other religions. I wasn't too impressed with the way the questions portrayed women, either.

The video seemed designed to provoke negative reactions though.

"Freedom of speech and freedom of thought includes the freedom to be racist, sexist, etc."

Snorts derisively. You don't know your political philosophy. Can I direct you to John Stuart Mill 'On Liberty'? Think about it! 'Freedom' is never wholly unfettered - not when it impinges in a grossly harmful way upon others. That is why we are not free to act on homicidal impulses for instance. Similarlly freedom of speech properly and rightfully excludes racism.

but how do you define "grossly harmful"? Many Muslims would say that film was "grossly harmful".