to think it is terrible to do this to a child?

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I know this is a contentious subject, and the surrounding comments are best ignored. It's just the video content that appalls me.

"No God based religion allows free thinking."

Only if you're a fundamentalist.

They are, in my opinion, both completely outrageous. But I don't see red mist comments after the one I posted.

seeker the difference in the comments on both videos is very telling (and chilling)

Machadaynu I get your point exactly - I come at it from the point of view of ALL religion being "wrong" and misguided (ie I don't believe in any God)

but

It doesn't offend me if others DO believe - I think they're wrong, but what difference does it make? They'll die, there won't be any heaven, or 70,000 virgins or whatever else. There'll just be nothing.

So it doesn't matter to me who believes what (as long as no-one harms anyone else) because in the end we'll all be pushing up daisies anyway....

exactly the same as forcing any religious beliefs on a child imo.- saying prayers, grace etc.

CakeBump it matters to me what people believe if - as you say - they're wrong, if what they believe makes other people miserable, or dead.

So islamic men's hold on women start at a very young age.

Ah yes, thats different Machadaynu. Once you start hurting others, then you're crossing a line. I would also have an issue with it at that point.

But most believers don't get to that point. They just believe, go to church/mosque/whatever. Fine by me, even though I think they're wrong.

The man is not saying it in a nice gentle way, but being aggressive and demanding. At 2 I don't think she has a clue what she is being asked. I know other children learn about religion, grace lords prayer etc, but the way this is being done does not sit well

That video is mild compared to

Now this is pure hate and i would like to see anyone try to defend this

I agree piglett

he sounds so intense and manic.

"The man is not saying it in a nice gentle way, but being aggressive and demanding. At 2 I don't think she has a clue what she is being asked. I know other children learn about religion, grace lords prayer etc, but the way this is being done does not sit well"

And did the child in my clip have a clue about what he was being asked?

Oh, and the aggressive and demanding comment is ridiculous. Some languages sound aggressive to English speaking ears when they aren't- you have no idea of the cultural context. And the little girl did not look for a second as if anyone was being aggressive to her.

If you took out the bits about the jews and christians then the video would be fine and would just be a young child learning by route about her religion.

Anything taken to the extreme like this is wrong. And thinking about my earlier comment saying he wasn't making the child recite the tables. Even if he was, he was still doing it in a very alarming fashion.

Which makes me draw the conclusion that the man is rather unhinged.

Sorry seeker thats the way he comes a gross almost shouting at the poor 2 year old girl.

My family are Armenian and when they are speaking they are loud, but not like this

cantspel at the risk of proving Godwins Law, what you are saying is a little like saying that, if you ignore the Holocaust, the Nazi's did at least look smart and make the trains run on time.

seeker I'm just going to sit here behind you, nodding

:)

Did that child look even remotely intimidated?

This how many converse in the middle east, the language does sound aggressive to us and they often sound like they are arguing the scariest of them all are the grandmothers

Arabic to English does not always translate sometimes a saying sounds terribly crude, violent other times embarrassingly romantic it's a very expressive language and spoken in that way or tends to me

Arabic and Arabic based languages ....

She is a little cutie. She seems to have a really nice relationship with her dad.

All religion is bollocks but if you are a believer you will want to pass on the "truth". It would not be anything I would want to teach to children.

My dear sweet mother-in-law is Muslim, due to poor education in her home country the education system was some what lacking when she grew up and as she has never worked out of the home this was the only knowledge that she had to pass onto her children, my Husband is so thankful for this gift of knowledge she bestowed as it was the only thing she had to give.

Perhaps it is the same for the parents of this little girl?

trice she may well have a really nice relationship with her dad, if that is who it is, but he is teaching her to hate people based on their race / religion.

That's the disturbing bit, surely?

Ok then, if your partner was sitting there "drumming" something into your childs head like this you would think it ok. You'd be saying to yourself ah, look at their lovely relationship? Blimey.