To feel phsyically sick at this suggestive toddler t-shirt, and the even more inappropriate write up...

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Perhaps Your 2 year old is just a cupcake looking for her stud muffin (so she can kick her legs about all night- WTF)?

Mine sure as hell isn't.

t-shirt at Zulily

Just kill me now. Even running the risk of an AIBU flaming isn't as bad as this fucking abomination.

That link is only relevant to this thread if muffin meant vagina in this situation. Which it doesn't.

So it means a stud with a vagina?

They do a muffin range as well, tbh I can't make myself feel physically sick over some naff wording on a top. Just don't buy it.

I don't think any of the words are inappropriate per se, but it IS inappropriate to have words with clear sexual connotations on a baby's/child's T-shirt, and 'stud muffin' is obviously a sexual term.

I think it's pretty horrid. And insidious that it's a 'cute' design on a pink T-shirt that lots of toddlers, or their parents, would like.

It's not something I would put my children in, in a million years, but then I don't tend to buy any 'slogan' stuff because I really dislike it. I think it's a bit OTT to say it makes you 'physically sick' - if you don't like it, don't buy it, and write to the company selling it.

Fucking hell.

I'm sorry but theres really bad shit going on in the world.

There are kids in real, serious danger of being in bad situations where they could be truelly sexually exploited and you are crying over a cartoon drawing of a muffin?

If you want to get horrified over something and start writing letters of complaint then do it somewhere else. There are plenty of children who are in genuine of protecting, rant somewhere that its needed ffs.

Really? that made you feel physically sick? Best you don't view the "grooming" thread on AIBU then you princess.

Muff= vagina, or to be correct vulva,

muffin does not, particularly not in this context as that would mean the little cupcake aka the cute baby would be looking for a promiscuous male with a vagina.

Ok, ok, so stud muffin clearly doesn't mean a man with a vagina .

Thank you for contacting Zulily, MNHQ.

OP, if you post in Feminism and Women's Rights Chat, you will get far more people agreeing with you than in AIBU, and Zulily might be persuaded that a greater proportion of Mnetters are appalled by this baby vest (and therefore more likely to stick to appropriate things to sell), than if they just read this thread.

It's a joke based around the cupcake fad. The reference to "muffin" does not mean vagina. That is very, very, very much a heterocentric item. It is bad taste to put it on a baby, for reasons that include, but are not limited to, its hetrocentricism.

I will however boycott Zulilly (who I'd never heard of before anyway ) for the most atrocious ever sales-speak. "Legless design"? What next? "This pair of trousers cleverly keeps your legs warm without hampering movement, with its two-legged design"?

Wigeon Sorry I was feeling quite pedantic.

I thought AIBU got higher traffic than FWR? I like FWR but it's not got the readers than AIBU has. How would posting there show a greater proportion are appalled? Surely it's just a smaller demographic with a more feminist dynamic. Don't get me wrong, if you're appalled, make it known and write a letter, but I don't see how providing the same information to a smaller audience changes the proportion of Mners who are appalled.

ARGH that's HORRID!!!!! (Apart from the conatations and the word 'stud' it also refers to a person as a cupcake which I loathe)

TheBigJessie - huh? Surely it's ok to joke about heterosexual relationships without worrying that you might be "heterocentric"? (presumably meant as a negative thing in your post?). Just not on a baby's vest and not in this way!

Vest with legless design !

Punk - yes, but people posting on FWR are still potential customers of Zulily, who might get the impression, from this thread, that Mumsnetters aren't that bothered by this t-shirt. I am rather presuming what the majority of people who read the FWR section might think, which is of course rather unfair since they are not at all homogeneous in their views on most things!

Apologies Wigeon I read your comment wrong. Sorry. ::wanders of to find glasses and perhaps a coffee::

Aldi: yes, don't get me started on comparing a baby girl to a cupcake and all that that implies!

Well I wouldn't buy it, but it doesn't make me want to lose my lunch. If you don't like it why not try not buying it?

I'm not horrified by it, but if I saw a baby girl wearing this I'd immediately know think their accompanying adult was a total dick.

Hi Zulily, if you're reading, I'm worried about the "I'm just a girl looking for my guy" message. I also agree stud muffin is a word used mostly in a sexual context. Ta.

It is making assumptions about a small child's sexual preferences, years before she can feel them or voice them. Heterocentric assumptions. If it was actually about her desiring "muffs" or something, then it would be homocentric. I have never seen homocentricity, but I don't doubt it exists somewhere in a corner of the internet.

If I, as an adult, wear a tasteless t-shirt indicating my sexual preferences, that's not heterocentric, as I know what they are. Assuming someone else shares them - heterocentric.

Do you see what I mean?

Wigeon, I know what you mean and I totally agree with you. It's vile.

A stud muffin certainly in the seventies/eighties did refer to a man who performed oral sex on a woman - "He gave her a muffin".

(I can't believe I typed that )

It was definitely something that teenage boys said back in the olden days!

It's foul and so is the boy's version, which is the same in reverse. It's as bad as having "sexy" on a baby's vest, IMO.

What is all this about trying to sexualise babies and young children? It's disgusting. I'm not getting sidetracked into the whole "what does muffin mean" here, because it's obvious that "stud muffin" is a male who is sexually attractive (and usually active); and cupcake is often a nn for girlfriends, at least it appears to be in various American books/tv shows/films.

Just no need for it on babies!

Yes, it is quite clearly saying 'I am a sexy female looking for sex with a sexy male.' Bad taste on anyone if any age IMO but terrible for young children. Zililly, what were you thinking?

Holofernes

"Yessss! I have thought of a new cupcake slogan! This will sell like hot cakes!" was the thought process, I suspect.

It's just a more literary "Future WAG" top. Says a lot about how they see their customers.

It's fucking awful.

Complaint all written and in.

PinkStinks all copied in too.

The screenshot again for anyone who missed it.

Look, whether Stud Muffin is hardcore or innocent, it's certainly not appropriate. Even if you take it at it's softest, and take it to mean "lover" then it's still dreadful! Would you let your 2 year old wear one saying "seeking Mr Right" or "Scouting for boys"?

I would be a bit less than thrilled if my 13 year old had t-shirts saying that, but I might let her, I don't know. At least she's old enough for relationships of a sort though. My toddler has no idea what they even are!