to think that there is NEVER an acceptable reason to call a 32 year old woman a "young girl?"

[Hullygully]

No I'm not.

I couldn't care less what emotive flannel is flung about.

IT. IS.NOT.ACCEPTABLE.

The end.

From what I can see, Jamie and Blistory were both having an uncharacteristic five minutes. Blistory has dealt with sustained attack with commendable calm and patience- maybe james's odd post was a last straw moment.

Tomorrow is another day.

The moving finger writes and having writ moves on...

I am so tired of this. So so tired. I'm only 36 and it drains the life out of me when women put other women down. The 'I'm alright attitude' that refuses to see the absolute shit that women go through just because they have a vagina. Just because we have it better than our mothers and grandmothers.

So it's ok that women get beaten and raped, it's okay that some of us fight every step of our careers to show that we're worth it. It's okay that the prick on the last train home tries it on just because you're in the same vicinity. It's okay that we're brought up to be scared of men. It's everyday stuff, every day over and over and over again and just when we're making progress, this kind of thing rears its head and its WOMEN that I'm fighting with.

I try, I really do, not to patronise on these boards but it doesn't matter. It's okay to label me a feminist and not worth listening to, My opinion doesn't matter even to other women, just because I'm a woman and a feminist to boot. Apparently I'm not worth it.

I appreciate your attempt to smooth things over Jessie with your explanation but it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not criticising, just saying that everyone has a point where they react. Mine was reached by Jamie post that seemed to blame me for her attack on everyone else and your post was like a punch in the face right after. Might not have been the intention but it's your post that will stay with me.

Right, have calmed down now

I just do really try and keep my cool and not be unkind and rude, so Blistory, you thinking I had in some way singling you out upset me a bit. What I said was very mild, and I try my best not to use aggressive language.

Fwiw, I totally agree with most of the arguments put forward by Hully here. But I got a bit fed up about the angry tone. I do find it alienating.
By nature I am a conciliator, and I know the down side of that is that it makes me a bit wishy washy

That said, I understand that the change in tone meant my comment to Blistory was unwelcome - not deliberately churlish though, because I think it's reasonable for me to reply directly to something you said to me, even though the conversation had moved on.

Am slightly embarrassed about flouncing

Dames, you are both Good Eggs

Let us try again another day

Have wine and rest

Peace be upon us

X post

I really really wasn't singling you out. Really. I would say if I was, and apologise.

It is very wearing.

I sometimes wonder what my 16 old self would think if she knew that nearly 40 years on we'd still be fighting the same battles.

I know, Jamie, I accepted immediately that my response had been childish. It was just a trigger point.

No apologies needed at all.

Good.

I am glad we had this talk.

And I am glad I now know PARd means

Blistory fair enough. It was supposed to be funny. But jokes that aren't funny or are badly done end up hurtful. And that's the joker's fault. In this case, me.

You knew pard surely? A natural successor to thread steering...x

Heal the world
Make it a better place for you and for me
And the entire Human race

I love all these endings in peace and understanding and goodness. No purple spluttering or horrid.

What ? Is it not all about me anymore ?

Yy no matter the journey, the destination should be brimful of love and peace

Ommmmmmm

But anyway, in case someone more literate tries a similar joke, I'll give a real-life example.

One time, I was walking home from a factory sort of job. Late shift plus over time. So I was walking home, contentedly planning what to with my wages at 1 am. Bit dark, so I stumbled. This drunken bloke nearby standing attacking me for having drunk too much. Etc. I, being outraged at a drunken waster who couldn't stand up straight attacking me, when I was stone cold sober... Well, I yelled back. His rather more sober girlfriend started dragging him off with "she's not worth it". Although what she clearly meant was, "oh my god, you are an embarrassing drunken fool". But he wouldn't have listened to that, so she went with 4he's not worth it".

Sometimes these things happen with the sexes the other way around. I have a great example of that, too. The time I was walking back from the supermarket with shopping bags, and a drunken woman called me a prostitute. Her embarrassed boyfriend dragged her away.

its WOMEN that I'm fighting with

Yes it is. How you ever, just for one millisecond, paused to wonder why?

Could it possibly, just conceivably, be because some of them don't want you to 'battle' on their behalf, and that they would rather decide for themselves how they want to be treated and what they should be called?

Just asking...

It was all peaceful and lovely for a while there Sue.

But I fear purple spluttering and horrid once more.

Don't worry Pagwatch. This won't be a prolonged argument. I haven't the time.

The problem with that is that if you want to be called, for example, a young girl at the age of 32, you are sending the message that it's ok for all 32 women to be called that. And, as this thread amply illustrates, many don't.

If what you want to do as an individual impacts on what happens to women as a whole, then surely other women have a right to explain why? And you have a responsibility to at least consider stopping?

The mistake you are making seeker is in thinking that all women should conform to the same image - your image. If a woman of 62 wants to be called a young girl, that's her privilege and right.

As I said above, I'm not taking this further as there is no point in repeating past circular arguments. Byee!

have you gone off the topic of the OP yet?

it's only been 748 messages.

I want to reply to the OP.

may I, please?

You seem to be ignoring the fact that your behaviour impacts on other people. If you want to be called a "young girl" at 32 or 52 that will legitimise something that many other women don't want. And may well have an impact on how women are treated. Equality for women was hard won and is still fragile. Don't we all have a responsibility to be vigilant in maintaining it?

It depends Nickeldaisical

It got heated, then all peace and love, then Sallyingforth rocked up just to shitdrop on Blistory. Now Seeker is back. It could be going all to fuck at any moment.

But go on. Speak your mind.
I am baking gf muffins. I have a bit oftime.