To be angry that the Chief Constable chose the words..

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"gentle" and "a chatterbox" respectively to describe the two women police officers who were murdered on duty yesterday.

Can you imagine those words ever being used to describe a man?

Having noted that statistic once, there is no need to repeat their sex at every mention.

I imagine it's extremely difficult to come up with a few words to describe your colleague/friend, such a short time after they have been murdered.

Please have a bit of compassion for the poor people having to deal with this horrific thing. They are probably having to be back at work today putting on a brave face whilst still dealing with there own feelings.

I'm all for any word that doesn't lump me in with joyless, permanently offended, heavy handed idiots

And that - there - up there - ^ - see it? Bloody buggering well said worra

Worra I know, that's why I posted the quote. Anyone reading the thread who may think she has a point can now see in black and white that it was in fact petty, blatantly incorrect and just very fucking offensive. I have not the slightest expectation that she will in fact acknowledge that she may have been wrong, and that perhaps the people who knew these officers and are grieving for them may be better placed than she is to judge the appropriate words to describe them.

The Chief Constable may have used those words in a statement, I don't know, I haven't been glued to the tv, but if he did, then clearly he was describing the officer as she had been described to him. He can't be expected to know every officer serving on his force personally, to the degree that he can make a personal statement as to their nature in the event of a tragedy.

seeker it's possible there's a point to be made about comments by the Police Federation spokesman and Sue Hill, but I think until you acknowledge that you may be wrong on your initial point it will be very hard to take you seriously.

and just generally, what Worra and Jodie said.

I agree with you Sallyingforth that the media seem to be drawing even more attention to the story as it was women that were killed - however I think that is just the world we live in.

It's not necessarily right but females dying in cases like this is always more shocking then if it was men. I don't necessarily know why as each life has the same value but I think a lot of people are conditioned for it to be more 'heard of / normal / easier to deal with' hearing of men dying then women.

I am not saying of course that this is right - just the way the world works I think.

This is what I read "Sir Peter...... paid tribute to PC Hughes, from Oldham, describing her as a "chatterbox" and a "great bobby" who was always smiling."

But of course if he didn't say it I'll retract.

I don't think the police have mentioned their sex too many times. To be honest, the GMP all look in a total state of shock, disbelief and grief. These are real people Sallyingforth and seeker, who have lost their colleagues so even if they are offending you with the manner in which they are wording their statements, perhaps the humane thing to do would be to forgive them at this really difficult time.

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Oh for FUCK SAKE seeker

You know buggering well he said it.

You also know buggering well he was quoting the woman's colleagues!

You do know what word 'quoting' means don't you??

It means repeating exactly what was said by someone else

Are you deliberately trying to get a rise out of people now at the expense of the Police Officers who were murdered, as well as trying to use them as a springboard for your feminist rant?

Fuck's sake - I'll just start a bloody fan club shall I?

Agree with worra.

Unless you are bloody stupid, you understand completely that the Chief Constable was quoting someone else.

So stop trying to dig yourself out of a hole, apologise for any offence caused and get this thread deleted.

I'm with ya Madge

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I agree. Well said worra

WorraLiberty very well said

please don't turn this into an 'all feminists are mad' thread

loads of us have popped up to say we are feminists adn we disagree hugely with Seeker

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Madge I'd prefer a round of strong drinks and a bottle of valium

I didn't know he was directly quoting. But now I know he was, I still think he should have bloody well chosen a better quotation to describe an adult woman.

And show me where I am showing the slightest disrespect to these women. Women, mark you, not young girls.

And I do hope you have all noticed the irony of accusing me of ranting!!!!

I think the officers who had the courage to be officers in a tough part of Manchester and knock on the door of a dangerous criminal were 'feminists' in the truest sense of the word.

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But seeker. I often describe men as chatterboxes and gentle.

"I think the officers who had the courage to be officers in a tough part of Manchester and knock on the door of a dangerous criminal were 'feminists' in the truest sense of the word."

Too bloody right they were. But on this thread, "feminist" seems to mean "a defender of the right to use demeaning language about women."