To be angry that the Chief Constable chose the words..

[seeker]

"gentle" and "a chatterbox" respectively to describe the two women police officers who were murdered on duty yesterday.

Can you imagine those words ever being used to describe a man?

Seeker, they will be remembered with respect and honoured properly.

They will have a full police funeral and will be saluted into church/crematoriums by their colleagues. I imagine a fitting eulogy will be made by the CC or someone else in a position of authority in GMP. These two women will not be remembered by a statement made by the CC less than 24 hours after their deaths (and even if they were, I really do not think it is such a bad thing. Lots of us here think that the CC's statement was fitting)

However, I don't think that your OP was made in this sentiment. I think it was made because you perceived some slight to womanhood.

Can you not acknowledge that the statement made was in part inclusive of quotes made my the family and part inclusive of quotes made by the CC himself? And can you not use your noggin to see which is which?

This thread is got a bit anti-feminism. Analysing sexist undertones in speech is valuable. I think the "feminist lens" is of great use. In this particular instance, I felt it was hurtful to individuals.

Bath-water goes down the plughole. The baby shouldn't.

seeker didnt like the words.The other 90% of people on this thread did.
If the Chief Constable had used words that seeker liked,maybe 40% of poeple on this thread wouldnt have liked them.
The Chief Constable was never going to please all of the people,so 90% aint bad.
And if the families of the vicitms were happy about it,all of the rest of us in the world, including seeker,dont matter at all.

Yes, mrsDevere, and we're a baying mindless mob because WE hold a different view.

And for the record, I wasn't thinking of you when I made that post but do flap about it if you like.

'However, the Chief Constable and other senior police officers should consider their words.'

Oh I'm sure he considered them exceptionally carefully. He certainly looks to have done his best to recognise the professionalism of these officers, while acknowledging the emotional impact that these deaths would have on friends, family and colleagues. He also looks to have tried to ensure that these people were were shown as more than simply a uniform and number.

What he hasn't considered is the sensibilities of some wizened old crone looking to be professionally offended and attempting to use these sad deaths as an opportunity to make a point. And rightly so.

BeanieStats

What is UP with the personal insults?
Wizened crone?
WTAF?

BeanieStats First paragraph = spot on
Second paragraph = really not necessary

I am sorry, where did I call anyone a baying mob?
In fact have I been at all rude to anyone?

I happen to think that certain words used to describe women are disrespectful.

And for the record I was responding to a number of posts, one that quoted me directly.

I think the is unnecessary and unpleasant.
I do not think I have been unpleasant to anyone on this thread.

As the sister of a two police officers, I can say unequivocalably, if either died in the line of duty, I would not give a shiny shit how they were described in the press. All my focus would be on the loss of two of the best men I know.
I am shocked by the personal attacks on Seeker. This forum is a place to express opinions, even one's we might find distasteful. I commend her for sticking with the topic and not backing down.
If you are offended in anyway by this thread, you have the ability to disengage by hiding it, or simply avoiding the subject. Not one person here is posting under duress. Engaging in discourse is one thing, attacking in such a vicious manner is not.

Oh don't take it to heart zombies

I'd take being described as a wizened crone as a compliment from someone who clearly doesn't have much life experience.

MrsDeVere, you took a few posts (mine being one of them) and said you'd had fucking enough or summat about the things said in them i.e robotic and cold-hearted. It was not aimed at you.

You said that you thought you personally had been called those things for holding a diffeent opinion. Earlier in the thread, those of us disagreeing with the OP were called a mindless baing mob. I was just pointing out that it's cut both ways on this thread.

I said mindless baying mob. Because some people had been. But I was called on it and retracted it.

I will take wizened old crone. There are worse things to be.

MrsdeVere., you've come on to this thread late, and really, no one has said anything personal about you.
We all have our POVs, there is nothing personal.
I will stick to what I've said though, to be spoken about with love is surely an epitaph to be proud off?

amillionyears - YES YES YES! to this post of yours

seeker didnt like the words.The other 90% of people on this thread did.
If the Chief Constable had used words that seeker liked,maybe 40% of poeple on this thread wouldnt have liked them.
The Chief Constable was never going to please all of the people,so 90% aint bad.
And if the families of the vicitms were happy about it,all of the rest of us in the world, including seeker,dont matter at all.

Crone in my neck of the woods, refers to a women with much wisdom.

"to be spoken about with love is surely an epitaph to be proud off?"

This.

I would rather my daughter was spoken about like she mattered as a person rather than a pre-written, fits all description that has been signed off as acceptable by a board of feminists.

I like crone. It means you've seen a few things.

"Wizened old crone"? Please don't say that. It's just weird and nasty.

Me too Bupcakes! I think I have seen some things and had some experiences, that might qualify for crone hood..

Some of the things crones see are how women were represented in their not-too-distant youth and try to change that

I haven't directed any fucking personal attacks against anybody cynner.
And nor have the majority of posters on this thread.
If you simply disagree is that now a personal attack?

Well no.
There have been posts about those agreeing with Seeker being cold hearted and robotic.
I dont agree with that. I am neither.
There have been posts lumping anyone who agrees being Radfem.
And my post has been quoted word for word.

That is why I had a little foot stomp.

Because I think I have remained polite and respectful and I don't think I deserve to be spoken about in that way because I feel genuinely strongly about the use of language being important.

I agree that we all have differing view and are entitled to them.
Which is another reason I feel a bit hurt by the accusations being thrown about. You don't have to write someone's name down to include them.

And I dont understand why this thread would be thought disgusting and disrespectful.
It seems to me to be more about being respectful.

But I have had enough. I didnt join the thread to get into a fight, just to add to the conversation.

well said, cynner.

I don't understand why people are being so angry. Why the determination to damn the OP for daring to ask about the language used to describe these two police officers? The question was thoughtful and aimed to ensure these officers were being treated with respect.

You may disagree with the OP - I posted that I thought the comments were poignant and appropriate in context - but there's no need to be so downright nasty.

Limited, they weren't reduced to a pair of breasts or to how good they looked in uniform. THAT'S what we should be worrying about. Not because they were spoken of with references to their personality traits made.