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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Please give me some outside perspective. Very long I'm afraid!

109 replies

happy2bhomely · 08/09/2012 16:13

I am going to write this so I can show my mum the replies. Please would you offer your honest opinions? I will try to just give the facts, not the why's and where's etc!

Background....
My mum and Dad were married for 20 years and had 5 children together.

My mum started a relationship with another man before divorcing my Dad.

The man (M) was still married and had 2 children. M and his wife also divorced.

My mum and (M) have been in a relationship for over 10 years now.

After they divorced, mum was living in a council house, working in a minimum wage job. M was renting privately waiting for his house to be sold. He was earning around 50k.

The situation now....

Mum is working as a care worker earning just over minimum wage. M is still earning 50k. All children have left home and mum is still living in council house and M is living in a 2 bed house. He paid off the mortgage with inheritance from his mum. Mum is finding it hard to afford her house. She gets no help with rent or council tax. They would like to live together. M doesn't want to move into mums because it was her family home with my dad.

It is a 'proper' relationship in the sense that they have shared friends, spend time with each others families. Babysit grandchildren together, holiday together etc. It is not a casual relationship.

M has asked mum to live with him. They have spent lots of time at each others homes but never officially lived together. So far, the arrangements have been that they pay their own household bills, rent, mortgage etc and go half on absolutely everything else. So, if they go for a drink, they buy one round each. Halves on restaurant bills. Halves on takeaways etc. They have had many holidays together. (M travels as part of his job and mum gets to tag along often, at her own expense) She has never, ever taken anything from him other than small birthday/Christmas presents. She cooks for him, does his washing and housework etc.

M is disappointed that my mum doesn't earn more than she does. He feels it limits what they can do together because she can't always afford her half. If she can't afford it, they don't do it. Mum is left with nothing every month. M is left with enough to live very comfortably and save a significant amount.

Mum has been diagnosed with a problem with her spine. She has a prolapsed disk in her neck and has arthritis. She is 49. She still works full time, but has regular risk assessments and meetings with occupational health. She is on pain medication but is still in considerable pain most days. There is some concern about how much longer she can keep doing the job that she does.

M has suggested they live together at his home and wants mum to contribute half of household bills. Mum has tried to discuss what would happen if she finds herself unable to work and so, unable to pay her half. He has been very vague, but has hinted that she would not have a home with him if she couldn't pay. Mum has also tried to discuss what would happen if M was to die before her. Would she be allowed to stay living in his home? M has suggested that she would have to move in with me, because it would be unreasonable to expect his daughters to have to wait for their inheritance until my mum died.

My mum does not want any inheritance from him at all. She has suggested that she pays a smaller percentage towards household bills to allow her to save for the future. She thinks a 50/50 split is unfair. Apparently my mum is 'thick' and 'alarm bells are ringing' about my mums true motives. She 'has her eyes on his money.' M believes, that mum 'had nothing' when he met her and that is not his responsibility. He says he has worked hard for what he has.

My mum does not want a penny. She just wants to share a home with a the man she loves, with some security that she would not be made homeless if he died. If they seperate, she accepts that she would walk away with nothing.

Do you think I am being unreasonable to suggest to my mum that there is no future with this man? AIBU to suggest that she downsizes her council home to one more affordable and forgets any idea of ever sharing a home with M?

AIBU to think that M is a dick who doesn't really want a proper relationship with my mum at all?

If you have got to the end, thank you for reading!

OP posts:
cocolepew · 08/09/2012 16:16

I agree that she should not under any circumstances give anything up and move in with him. Really I can't see any future, he sounds a bit of a twat, tbh.

charlottehere · 08/09/2012 16:18

Run FAST

SirGOLDBoobs · 08/09/2012 16:18

He sounds like a completely twat if he is being so unsupportive, bearing in mind especially her health conditions. In the words of mumsnet: Leave the bastard.

TinyDancingHoofer · 08/09/2012 16:19

He sounds like he thinks of her as a companion rather than the love of his life. She can do better.

LindyHemming · 08/09/2012 16:19

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 08/09/2012 16:20

Your mum would certainly be putting herself in a very vulnerable situation if she moves in with M and gives up her secure tenancy, unless she and M marry.

Moving in without the ring and the "bit of paper", no, not a good idea.

I'm sorry.

Doha · 08/09/2012 16:20

Sorry but l would have to agree with you l don't think you DM should move in with this man As you say she would be better off downsizing her current home.
I don't really like the sound of this man, he comes accross as very selfish and if it was my mother l would be encouraging her to look elsewhere for a relationship.

McKayz · 08/09/2012 16:20

I agree. If he truly loved your Mum then he would want to live with her and would be happy to let your mum pay a reduced amount.

Your mum probably won't want to hear it but I think she should downsize with the council.

squeakytoy · 08/09/2012 16:21

"AIBU to think that M is a dick who doesn't really want a proper relationship with my mum at all?"

Nope, not at all. It sounds more like they are friends who occasionally sleep together to me, and not a proper loving relationship.

ToothGah · 08/09/2012 16:21

My very first "leave the bastard".

How dare he call her thick!!! He sounds abusive and mean.

Dawndonna · 08/09/2012 16:21

What a rude and selfish bastard. No wonder he's divorced.

bigsnugglebunny · 08/09/2012 16:23

Ok, this is just my opinion - whether it's right or wrong I don't know.

When you move in with someone, it's because you love them and want to share your life with them. The unspoken things are that you will support them emotionally and physically if they need it - much like a marriage.

It sounds to me like he wants a housemate with benefits. He wants half the bills paid, and to get the benefits of a (probably, making assumptions here) physical relationship. However, if he's unwilling to commit long-term or if your mum becomes incapacitated - that strikes me as him not being emotionally attached to your mum.

It's a horrible situation for her, but if it was me - I'd stay put in the council house, maybe downsize like you suggest and I'd get rid of him. He's not going to be there long term - he's proven that with his reaction to the possibility of her not being able to pay half the bills.

Also, why should she pay half the bills IF at the end of the day she would have to leave the house with nothing. The minute she starts paying into that house, I would assume she has a financial interest in it - and I'd be interested in seeing what someone with a bit of legal knowledge says about that.

juneau · 08/09/2012 16:23

Can I just ask WHY on earth she loves this man? He sounds utterly, miserably mean. I can understand why, in the early stages of a relationship, a couple might want to split things 50/50 so neither one feels beholden to the other, but after a 10 year relationship, with him being so much better off than her, why would she agree to move in with him when he has everything to gain (she already does all his chores for him FGS), and if he dies suddenly she's left with nothing and no home, because she gave up her council home to move in with him?

Personally, I think she should dump him, but that's her choice. However, I think she'd be mad to move in with him. If she's struggling to pay her bills on her big home she should speak to the council about re-housing her in a more suitable property and releasing this big one for a family that needs it.

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere · 08/09/2012 16:23

YANBU at all. M is not interested in a true, committed, loving relationship with your mother and in all seriousness, she should leave the bastard! He is a selfish fuckwit with no real love and concern for her wellbeing. He is tightfisted and mean.

FuckityFuckFuck · 08/09/2012 16:23

OP's Mum - Run. Like the fucking wind

Even if he agreed to marry, he would still be controlling over money, making her life miserable.

If he really thinks she is after his money after 10 years together then he is a shallow twunt and doesn't deserve to be with her any longer

ditavonteesed · 08/09/2012 16:23

what a horrible nasty mean spirited man, he doesnt think very highly of your mum or he would treat her as a proper partner.

sixlostmonkeys · 08/09/2012 16:24

happy2behomely - I am with you all the way!

I think the most important thing to stress to your mum is that she takes care of her own future; makes it secure etc etc. Not to rely on him at all - he simply will not be there for her in any shape or form.
If she were to move in with him, she knows, she is risking everything. She will end up with nothing at all.
He is not a partner in any way at all. Why does she love him?

She has you. She has the ability to ensure her life is ok should her pain get worse.
She really shouldn't move in with him.

kinkynagbag · 08/09/2012 16:26

not very caring is he?

i am surrpised it has last 10 years before this is brought up tbh.

i think your mum needs to be smart. the best idea i think is to down size, the council, depending on where she is and if they have this scheme. will pay for removals and help with cost for moving to a smaller property. that way she will pay les rent.

i would also look into her reciveing dla, which would also allow her to claim hb and council tax benifit.

she could do this in her house now. but a small house will mean lower bills and less house work to be done.. which will help with less pain of doing house work.

i would be very worried with how this man is thinking. to me its liek a relationship to pass the time with. i cant see an ounce of care towards your mother from this man tbh.

wakeupandsmellthecoffee · 08/09/2012 16:26

You said she cooks for him does his wasting and housework . I am sorry but you said to be honest .
I am 47 by the way just to give you the information that I am nearly the same age as your mum. But I have to say it she is a housekeeper with benefits, Sorry but he sounds tight fisted and if he wants her to move in with him he should marry her .
I bet if he got a serious illness he would expect her to look after him . Why doesn't he move in with her and rent his place out and give her half the rent money. Hevwants it all his own way and is just looking out for number one.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/09/2012 16:27

Obviously she should NOT move in with him. There is no love there. He earns 50k,she earns min wage and yet she has to pay half of everything or it doesn't happen? Andyour mother skivvys for him!

Run... Run for the hills

QuintessentialShadows · 08/09/2012 16:27

She must not under any circumstances give up her home and move in with him.

He just wants somebody to chip in with the bills (so he can save more) and do his laundry, cooking and cleaning.

Your poor mums health will deteriorate even further by looking after this grown manchild, and might end up having to give up work even sooner, and then find herself homeless and pennyless.

She would be really silly indeed to move in with him. It seems to me HE is the gold digger, in that the only person to benefit from this arrangement is HIM, whereas it will have a very detrimental effect on her.

He should find a lodger if he wants help sharing the bills, and pay for a cleaner to do his laundry.

QuintessentialShadows · 08/09/2012 16:28

You must feel so sad for your mum, as I suspect you can see clearly what is going on here, that he is taking advantage of her, and I suspect that she is blind to this.

He is not a very nice man. And it does not sound like he loves her.

NadiaWadia · 08/09/2012 16:30

Sorry but he clearly doesn't love her. To move in with him on the terms he suggested would make your Mum very vulnerable.

mynewpassion · 08/09/2012 16:30

I think your suggestion of her downsizing her home is a good one. She should protect herself and that would mean keeping her own home.

He has a right to protect his assets and finances even if your mother wants nothing. One can never be too careful regardless if you are a woman or a man.

LtEveDallas · 08/09/2012 16:32

Your mum needs to run, and fast. I'm so very sorry. It must be very hard to have invested 10 years in this relationship and for it to end like this, but end it must.

I have a good friend who was in a similar situation, but luckily for her he DID love her, and was willing to listen to her concerns. It took time, but he came to see that she needed the security of marriage if she was to give up her home, and that whilst she loved him, she wouldn't wait forever for him to make up his mind.

They married last month after 6 years courting Smile. They live together in 'his' house, they pool their money and they share everything. As they should.

I do not think this man loves your mum. I think he is using her as a cook, cleaner and consort. She could easily be left with nothing, and that would be terrible at any age, let alone later in life.

Sorry mate.

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