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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Please give me some outside perspective. Very long I'm afraid!

109 replies

happy2bhomely · 08/09/2012 16:13

I am going to write this so I can show my mum the replies. Please would you offer your honest opinions? I will try to just give the facts, not the why's and where's etc!

Background....
My mum and Dad were married for 20 years and had 5 children together.

My mum started a relationship with another man before divorcing my Dad.

The man (M) was still married and had 2 children. M and his wife also divorced.

My mum and (M) have been in a relationship for over 10 years now.

After they divorced, mum was living in a council house, working in a minimum wage job. M was renting privately waiting for his house to be sold. He was earning around 50k.

The situation now....

Mum is working as a care worker earning just over minimum wage. M is still earning 50k. All children have left home and mum is still living in council house and M is living in a 2 bed house. He paid off the mortgage with inheritance from his mum. Mum is finding it hard to afford her house. She gets no help with rent or council tax. They would like to live together. M doesn't want to move into mums because it was her family home with my dad.

It is a 'proper' relationship in the sense that they have shared friends, spend time with each others families. Babysit grandchildren together, holiday together etc. It is not a casual relationship.

M has asked mum to live with him. They have spent lots of time at each others homes but never officially lived together. So far, the arrangements have been that they pay their own household bills, rent, mortgage etc and go half on absolutely everything else. So, if they go for a drink, they buy one round each. Halves on restaurant bills. Halves on takeaways etc. They have had many holidays together. (M travels as part of his job and mum gets to tag along often, at her own expense) She has never, ever taken anything from him other than small birthday/Christmas presents. She cooks for him, does his washing and housework etc.

M is disappointed that my mum doesn't earn more than she does. He feels it limits what they can do together because she can't always afford her half. If she can't afford it, they don't do it. Mum is left with nothing every month. M is left with enough to live very comfortably and save a significant amount.

Mum has been diagnosed with a problem with her spine. She has a prolapsed disk in her neck and has arthritis. She is 49. She still works full time, but has regular risk assessments and meetings with occupational health. She is on pain medication but is still in considerable pain most days. There is some concern about how much longer she can keep doing the job that she does.

M has suggested they live together at his home and wants mum to contribute half of household bills. Mum has tried to discuss what would happen if she finds herself unable to work and so, unable to pay her half. He has been very vague, but has hinted that she would not have a home with him if she couldn't pay. Mum has also tried to discuss what would happen if M was to die before her. Would she be allowed to stay living in his home? M has suggested that she would have to move in with me, because it would be unreasonable to expect his daughters to have to wait for their inheritance until my mum died.

My mum does not want any inheritance from him at all. She has suggested that she pays a smaller percentage towards household bills to allow her to save for the future. She thinks a 50/50 split is unfair. Apparently my mum is 'thick' and 'alarm bells are ringing' about my mums true motives. She 'has her eyes on his money.' M believes, that mum 'had nothing' when he met her and that is not his responsibility. He says he has worked hard for what he has.

My mum does not want a penny. She just wants to share a home with a the man she loves, with some security that she would not be made homeless if he died. If they seperate, she accepts that she would walk away with nothing.

Do you think I am being unreasonable to suggest to my mum that there is no future with this man? AIBU to suggest that she downsizes her council home to one more affordable and forgets any idea of ever sharing a home with M?

AIBU to think that M is a dick who doesn't really want a proper relationship with my mum at all?

If you have got to the end, thank you for reading!

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happy2bhomely · 09/09/2012 15:34

I've spoken to her today and she's gone to work. She told me that he said that because she works shifts it interferes with his weekends, so he has a right to encourage her to earn more and get a better job. It doesn't pay enough to justify the inconvenience. My mum loves her job and is good at it. It pays peanuts, but she works with lovely people.

He gets irritated when my mum says she hasn't slept well because of the pain she is in.

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CaliforniaLeaving · 09/09/2012 15:40

And he enhances her life how?
What a selfish Ass he is.

hungoverandembarrassed · 09/09/2012 15:48

Awful, just awful. Even in fairly new casual relationships, if I earned less than the man (which has pretty much always been true) then they would pay a higher share on dates/holidays, and I believe that when you live with someone, then they are your partner, so therefore finances are shared, or at least split proportionately according to their means. And that is how the law sees it too. She needs a companion, a partner, someone who is willing to love and support her whatever, including financially. Not a miser who would happily boot her on to the street if her health stops her working.

hungoverandembarrassed · 09/09/2012 15:52

Am also Angry that a woman disabled by pain and who works herself cooks and cleans for a man who she doesn't even live with, who is perfectly capable if doing it himself. Sad

poultrytoo · 09/09/2012 17:10

It sounds awful. I hope they split up for good this time.

Can she get in touch with Women's Aid? I think the Freedom programme would be good for her.

One other thing, if her health gets worse and she has to stop work and claim ESA, she would only get it for a year before it becomes means-tested. And if she's living with a partner, his income would mean that she'd be over the means-test threshold, because cohabitees/spouses are expected in law to financially support their partners. She could end up in a very vulnerable situation if she's totally financially dependent on him - and that's not so far-fetched given her current state of health.

higgle · 09/09/2012 17:19

Dh and I have been happily married for yonks. In our early years I earned more than him, now he hearns more than me. We have always dealt with this by paying for joint sutff ( bills, food etc. ) by paying in proportion to our income 25/75 or 33/67 for example. this has seemed the fair one and we have never ever fallen out about money.

RosesAreBetter · 09/09/2012 17:44

As others have said, your mum is free of him now, tell her to keep running and make sure she doesn't stop.

She can do so much better than that bastard, I don't care what his side is, you do not treat someone you are supposed to love the way he treats your DM.

He seems obsessed with money, like it is the only thing that is important in the world. Your DM deserves someone that thinks she is the most important thing in the world.

happy2bhomely · 09/09/2012 18:07

Tbh, I don't think this is something that could be solved by negotiating financial arrangements. I think it's deeper than that.

My mum said she hoped that she died first so that it wasn't an issue. She has a plan to cover the costs of her funeral, that she has left with me and DH.

To give him his due, he has always been honest about what he wanted. He made it clear that he never wanted to remarry. He hasn't deceived my mum, but he has been quite cruel I think. She has held on believing that he loves her, but it's clear to everyone that he is just passing the time until someone 'worthy' comes along.

I don't blame him for not wanting what my mum wants, but he has the strength to end it and walk away-she doesn't.

Within days my mum will text an apology. He will give her just enough hope to keep on trying.

Arsehole.

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dysfunctionalme · 09/09/2012 23:29

God your poor mum. She could do with some really good counselling, for quite a long time. I wonder if there's any place near you she can access low cost help?

She is carrying far too much guilt and grief, and it really doesn't have to be this way. Once she can offload her unhappiness about her marriage and what is going on now (might take a while) she can channel her energy into looking after herself better. And is very likely to then make decisions that are good for her rather than punishing.

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