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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Please give me some outside perspective. Very long I'm afraid!

109 replies

happy2bhomely · 08/09/2012 16:13

I am going to write this so I can show my mum the replies. Please would you offer your honest opinions? I will try to just give the facts, not the why's and where's etc!

Background....
My mum and Dad were married for 20 years and had 5 children together.

My mum started a relationship with another man before divorcing my Dad.

The man (M) was still married and had 2 children. M and his wife also divorced.

My mum and (M) have been in a relationship for over 10 years now.

After they divorced, mum was living in a council house, working in a minimum wage job. M was renting privately waiting for his house to be sold. He was earning around 50k.

The situation now....

Mum is working as a care worker earning just over minimum wage. M is still earning 50k. All children have left home and mum is still living in council house and M is living in a 2 bed house. He paid off the mortgage with inheritance from his mum. Mum is finding it hard to afford her house. She gets no help with rent or council tax. They would like to live together. M doesn't want to move into mums because it was her family home with my dad.

It is a 'proper' relationship in the sense that they have shared friends, spend time with each others families. Babysit grandchildren together, holiday together etc. It is not a casual relationship.

M has asked mum to live with him. They have spent lots of time at each others homes but never officially lived together. So far, the arrangements have been that they pay their own household bills, rent, mortgage etc and go half on absolutely everything else. So, if they go for a drink, they buy one round each. Halves on restaurant bills. Halves on takeaways etc. They have had many holidays together. (M travels as part of his job and mum gets to tag along often, at her own expense) She has never, ever taken anything from him other than small birthday/Christmas presents. She cooks for him, does his washing and housework etc.

M is disappointed that my mum doesn't earn more than she does. He feels it limits what they can do together because she can't always afford her half. If she can't afford it, they don't do it. Mum is left with nothing every month. M is left with enough to live very comfortably and save a significant amount.

Mum has been diagnosed with a problem with her spine. She has a prolapsed disk in her neck and has arthritis. She is 49. She still works full time, but has regular risk assessments and meetings with occupational health. She is on pain medication but is still in considerable pain most days. There is some concern about how much longer she can keep doing the job that she does.

M has suggested they live together at his home and wants mum to contribute half of household bills. Mum has tried to discuss what would happen if she finds herself unable to work and so, unable to pay her half. He has been very vague, but has hinted that she would not have a home with him if she couldn't pay. Mum has also tried to discuss what would happen if M was to die before her. Would she be allowed to stay living in his home? M has suggested that she would have to move in with me, because it would be unreasonable to expect his daughters to have to wait for their inheritance until my mum died.

My mum does not want any inheritance from him at all. She has suggested that she pays a smaller percentage towards household bills to allow her to save for the future. She thinks a 50/50 split is unfair. Apparently my mum is 'thick' and 'alarm bells are ringing' about my mums true motives. She 'has her eyes on his money.' M believes, that mum 'had nothing' when he met her and that is not his responsibility. He says he has worked hard for what he has.

My mum does not want a penny. She just wants to share a home with a the man she loves, with some security that she would not be made homeless if he died. If they seperate, she accepts that she would walk away with nothing.

Do you think I am being unreasonable to suggest to my mum that there is no future with this man? AIBU to suggest that she downsizes her council home to one more affordable and forgets any idea of ever sharing a home with M?

AIBU to think that M is a dick who doesn't really want a proper relationship with my mum at all?

If you have got to the end, thank you for reading!

OP posts:
TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 08/09/2012 17:33

Your poor mum. Sad What a tosser. And agree with previous posters - 49 is not old. My mum is 46 and not at all 'elderly'.

No way would I be doing his bloody housework. And how dare he be 'disappointed' that she only earns minimum wage? Angry Tell him to go and take a running jump. If he wants to do things she can't afford, then he has to bloody well put his hand in his pocket, not take it out on her! She sounds like she's very determined to stand on her own feet and not accept a penny, but that doesn't change the fact that he's behaving like a dick.

shrimponastick · 08/09/2012 17:38

Gosh. He sounds delightful.

OP mum, you need to get rid of him. A true partner/husband wouldnt expect a 50/50 split for everything.

But the financial aspect points to his true nature, and how he places her in his life. He is not worth another ten years...

JustFabulous · 08/09/2012 17:38

How can she live in a council house and the previous family home? Confused

boredandrestless · 08/09/2012 17:40

I'm assuming the council house IS the OP's mum's previous family home?

QuintessentialShadows · 08/09/2012 17:41

Heck, at 49, is your mum ready for another 30-40 years of this???

Twiggy71 · 08/09/2012 17:43

His first and only love is money....please please op's Mum do not move in with this man and loose your independence as it is precious.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 08/09/2012 17:44

The council house was the family home, where (presumably) OP grew up. Her mum still lives there. Don't get your Confused, Just?

JustFabulous · 08/09/2012 17:44

I thought that too, boredandrestless, but I reread the OP and it says After they divorced, mum was living in a council house, which to me implies she moved into it after the divorce.

I was just mentioning it as it sounds like an excuse from M when the house was never the family home.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 08/09/2012 17:45

Ah! I didn't think she'd moved after the divorce, but I can see how you think that.

soverylucky · 08/09/2012 17:48

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Graceparkhill · 08/09/2012 17:53

Agree with all who say run for the hills and also agree with those who say 49 is young.

Slightly off topic but it would be worth your mum double checking with CAB or money advice in case she might be entitled to some help.

Agree with the idea of downsizing or what about taking in a lodger for extra income/ help with bills etc?

Www.homeswapper.co.uk and www.lodgers.com

Nanny0gg · 08/09/2012 17:54

Run away.
Don't look back.
Downsize to be nearer your children.

He is vile.

HTH.

3littlefrogs · 08/09/2012 17:57

He sounds horrid. She should run, very fast.

He is using her and wants her to pay half of all his bills and expenses so that he can keep even more of his £50K for himself.

OhNoMyFoot · 08/09/2012 17:58

Ok I totally agree with you, however has he said why he feels like this? Did he lose a lot in the divorce for example.

If she can't afford where she lives that's almost a separate issues from him.

HoneyWithLemon · 08/09/2012 18:10

It's awful to say it but your mum has already wasted too much time with this man. Even if they could reach a more equitable arrangement money will always be an issue with him. She's got to ditch him I'm afraid. Sad

CaliforniaLeaving · 08/09/2012 18:16

M is a total ass, if he wants a relationship with your Mum and wants to live together then he has to realize her earning potential isn't the same as his.
If he likes her so much then put a ring on it and make it legal so that your Mum has some stability and won't get tossed out on the street should she become disabled from her back problems.

thegreylady · 08/09/2012 18:16

Your mum is just 5 years older than my ds!!I am old enough to be her mum and I would warn her not to consider moving in on those [or any other] terms.He does not love her ,he is exploiting her and she must be terribly hurt by his attitude.

Laquitar · 08/09/2012 18:17

I don't even believe his excuse for not wanting to move in your mum's house (they could redecorate it together).
iPerhaps he likes to have all the control and/or too snobby (idiot) to move in a council house.

He sounds yuk person.

Your mum sounds a hard-working woman.

diaimchlo · 08/09/2012 18:18

Classic example of a selfish, controlling man that likes his bread buttered both sides. As others have said your Mum should run for the hills tbh as it sounds as if he has controlled this relationship from the beginning. I know that is easier said than done and if she does end up moving in with him I would take a leaf out of his book and make him pay for all the cleaning, laundry, cooking etc that I did at the going wage of a housekeeper.......

Laquitar · 08/09/2012 18:21

Also check your local language colleges for becoming host to foreign students?

JennetDevice · 08/09/2012 18:28

OP tell your mum to run now, this relationship sounds utterly miserable. Why does she want to be with a man who thinks she is thick and accuses her of being a gold digger. He sounds so mean and uncaring, he should be doing her cleaning and washing. He allows her to to cook and clean for him knowing she is in pain; what a catch.

You sound lovely OP and your mum is lucky that you care so much.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 08/09/2012 18:29

YANBU. Please don't give up your home, OP's mum. This man will not look after you if your health should get worse. You deserve better.

Ullena · 08/09/2012 18:33

Oh dear, this sounds almost exactly like what happened to my elder sister. It ended very badly, with sis and her two teenage DCs from her first marriage homeless and penniless.

Run away. Run as fast and as far as she can.

Ladyflip · 08/09/2012 18:33

If she is determined on living with him without marrying him, at the very least she needs to get him to make a new will leaving her a right to live in the property for the rest of her life without payment of rent. It's called a life interest trust. The risk, even if she achieves this, is that she could move in and he is free to make a new will at any time until he dies, which could disinherit her.
I act for loads of clients in this situation, but usually both parties are trying to seek some fairness, and your op doesn't sound like he is. I would advise her to think very carefully about her future needs before she gives up her independence and moves in with him.

FoxyRoxy · 08/09/2012 18:33

Yanbu! Please tell your poor mum that this is not how a healthy relationship works and that she is far better off on her own.