Boris wants your children

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Boris wants your children for the gulags.

He wants to punish teach them skills of rock-breaking and oakum picking!

Bring your children to build the great nation!

Even if they have studied hard at school, achieved their expensive degree, and volunteer ten times a day, they must not expect payment until they get experience are working get paid.

At the press conference, Boris, with one arm oddly twisted behind his back, confirmed that it was a tough job market, and employers were crying out for prisoners free labour something for nothing work experience.

So basically leave school or uni (meaning you may well not have a work history) and you get to work 30 hours a week for 13 weeks in order to claim JSA.

Psst, Novack, have you figured out where these magical work hours are coming from? 390 hours per person?

So no one then. Glad we cleared that up.

No one is forced and it's not for free.

Psst maybe if you had been made to do some chores instead of just getting everything you asked for from mummy and daddy or the social then you'd understand the concept of working to receive money.

£50.95 for 30 hours. Call it £1.70 an hour. Paid for by the govenment presumably. Yes, it's going to be easy peasy to get a minimum wage job from employers using that labour.

Oh, sorry. You're right of course. You can starve or you can work for a for profit company for £1.70 an hour for 13 weeks.

The people whose lives will be changed by this? Those in low paid full time work. The kind of people who don't live off benefits but go out and work even though they don't earn much. Their hours will be cut. Job vacancies will fall.

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Referral to the trial will take place as soon as someone signs on for Jobseeker's Allowance. If they do not participate without good reason, that claim will be discontinued and they will not receive benefits.'
In other words, 'forced'.

You're right Narked. Why would a nursing home pay minimum wage for anyone when they can get a bunch of unskilled Jobseekers in to mop the floors. They don't even have to treat them well because they will be in fear of losing their benefits.

Lets hope the vacancies fall as there are 4000000 unfilled jobs in the country whilst there are over 300000 never have done a days work households in the country.

Oops one zero too many .that's 400k unfilled vacancies.

Oh, sorry. You're right of course. You can starve or you can work for a for profit company for £1.70 an hour for 13 weeks

Having worked in catering for 8 years i can assure you there are plenty of people who in reality do this with a perfectly legitimate contract of employment.

And they're probably far more skilled in a lot of cases.

at 'the social'! I've never claimed a penny! Child benefit but nothing else. And yes, I have been helped by my parents but I definitely didn't get everything I asked for. I'm still waiting on the Bluebird kitchen .

I come from a family where people respect unions and the welfare state because they know about the alternatives. I had a grandfather who worked through the 1920s and who knew what it was like for workers to be treated as disposable.

how many of those are suitable for people without a skill with out a qualification and without any experance?

Good, it's about time they did something for their dole money! Why should people get money from tax payers for doing f all!

Referral to the trial will take place as soon as someone signs on for Jobseeker's Allowance. If they do not participate without good reason, that claim will be discontinued and they will not receive benefits.'
In other words, 'forced'

How are they forced?

The poster claimed they were forced to work for free. Completely untrue.

How many of those 400,000 are they qualified for? Because I can't see them as Chief Exec of a FTSE 250.

Again, where do you think these work hours are coming from?

If someone said I couldn't feed my children if I didn't do something, I would consider that forced.

It is not working for money that upsets me, it is doing this when people can't find jobs, doing it to boost Tesco's profits when people can't afford food... If people were doing jobs that were created, and paid a minimum wage for them up to their dole amount, I wouldn't be as annoyed.

They could probably cope as a director though ...

Oh for pity's sake, they are 'forced' because otherwise they will not even have money to buy food. Hobson's choice.

I would have far less of a problem with this if jobseekers were asked to do this 'work experience' at NMW, ie. they were asked to provide 10-12 hours a week work in exchange for benefits. They are not, though. They are being forced 'asked' on pain of losing their only income/starving to work for way less than that in jobs which will probably not enhance their CVs. Why should a geography graduate consider a shelf-stacking role in Tesco as 'enhancing' their career prospects?

The fact that they are then filling somebody else's paid job/a vacancy is a whole other (major) issue.

It is exploitation pure and simple.

Cross post Mrs Terry Pratchett!

I'm for it if done properly, those who are "work shy" (however few that maybe) need a boot up the arse but more importantly those who have never worked are likely to see that first job as a huge hurdle.

Little sis dropped out of Uni, applied for lots of jobs (skilled and unskilled) but as a result of no experience but more importantly no confidence or experience of interviews/being in the workplace she failed every time. She developed anxiety and depression and a low self esteem from feeling useless and spending all day in her room other than the one or two hours of volunteer work she got.

I got her on a princes trust course that basically culminated in exactly this, unpaid work in a mix of independent and national companies, she was on it with JSA claimants (she wasn't signing on).

Guess what? Her and the majority of her group got changed attitudes, better self belief and are now employed! So yes it can work if done right.

As an aside M&S were part of the scheme and the tutors said they would be happy to have her (she went somewhere else in the end) as they always got lumped with those who didn't really want to change and it was difficult. So no real "free labour" benefit to them there more part of their corporate social responsibility.

My comments related to a comment that:

They were being forced to work for Tesco for free.

They're not. So my comment stands accurate.

The Tesco fixation on this thread is quite telling too. Almost in the realms of conspiracy theory.

at Tesco fixation. It sticks in my mind because I thought they'd stopped their involvement and remember someone on here telling me they hadn't. I think I was ranting about a shop they'd delivered. It is possible that I have unresolved issues about them withholding my chocolate.