AIBU to think that it very sad that young girls

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nowadays seem to believe that all hair on their bodies must be waxed off entirely.

I know some people say they prefer it but IME young girls ALL seem to think it's normal to be totally hair free. WHY??

AIBU to think this is terribly sad that they are put under this pressure to wax it all off all the time.

Men are not sexually objectified in the same way. So I don't think it would have the same effects.
There are small groups of certain types of men that hair remove but it is very much a minority.
That's still not a good thing, it means men will feel insecure too. That's not positive. But it is not comparable to what women are expected to do to even be passable and the societal influences pushed on women.

fartattak you cannot rationally defend the idea that we should look as nature intended!

how can you even discern the intentions of 'nature' what makes you think 'nature' has intentions??

should women go bra less and all have pendulous breasts? after all if nature intended us to wear bra' she would have, erm, made them grow on tree's or something

My main argument has never focussed on it being natural or not it was an aside on another point.

That is bandying semantics and missing my point.

maybe so but you made a claim, I called you on it and just side stepped

pulling the natural argument is such lazy sloppy rhetoric

Firstly boobs would be the same whether we wore bras or not. Bras are another tool of patriarchy. To make boobs look more youthful and fake.
The amount women are expected to do is huge and makes life more limiting:
Shaved legs, armpits and pubes (even if it is just 'neat and tidy')
Hair dye
Heels
Bras
Makeup
Impractical 'sexy' clothes
And that's before all the extras: plastic surgery, false eyelashes, nails, tan and hair.

Mercury7
Thanks for that

Bras are another tool of patriarchy
oh c'mon:o
yeah yeah heels are the modern incarnation of foot binding but bra's??
I wear one to stop my tits from painfully bouncing when I run
I know all that underwired push up shit if for titillation (excuse the pun) but bra's are also to do with comfort, surely.

besides, I quite like ripping my body hair out with the epilator thingy, the mild pain gives me a bit of a high and cheers me up no end:o

I like my epilator and my bra

those pesky dames are young women who make a point of growing their body hair.

The thing about 'peer pressure' is its everywhere, where is the sadness for teens wanting to be allowed out later or the right trainers or to be silly.

Also yes a boyfriend could ridicule you for being hairy, but I've had friends who were ridiculed for being fat or having funny nipples or an 'ugly' fanny or being told that said boyfriend didn't like their hair or their laugh. Where is the sadness that they could be ridiculed over that.

Where is the constant mn discussion over other topics, I can get the obsession with pubes. I wax as does my dd1, it only ever crosses my mind when booking an appointment, it's really not that bigger deal to me or anyone else I know who waxes.

Pubes won't damage them for life, worry more about teen pregnancy, low expectations, girls becoming less interested in sport, childhood obesity etc etc.

What Ruby said.

Well, girls would have more TIME to do sports, hobbies etc if they weren't in a beauty salon or spending half the morning getting ready to go out.

But they CHOOSE to spend their time at the salon because (oh my God! Stop the press) some women don't care for sport and enjoy the experience of being pampered by others.

Those hairdressers that give the head massages are the absolute dogs bollocks

They ENJOY being waxed or having their eyebrows threaded? And spending a lot of money on it?

Choccol

But choco where are the stats on waxing.

There are plenty of stats on obesity, pregnancy, having sex before 16, screen time.

How do you know its salons they're in, not McDonalds, shagging their equally underage boyfriends or getting square eyes.

Considering a wax takes about 10 mins, it could be spread between the ads of New Girl, doubt its stopping them form any hobbies.

Also where did you grow up that you didn't faff around getting ready as a teen girl. My gran did the same. Young girls have always faffed, I don't think its a sign of our modern times.

I enjoy spending money on the hairdressers yes. And hair removal does not automatically = painful. Veet? Shaving?

That fucking JRR Tolkien made me have to shave my feet against my will too seriously... When will it end.

Can I just add, I love a wax. Makes me really clean and tidy, its not exactly for aesthetic reasons considering it makes my fanny look like a bald chicken, but I like the way it feels.

Its all relative isn't it, if you haven't got any money or time its expensive and unnecessary. My DD1 has a wax and it costs about 3 of her beloved caramel macchi-somethings, so she has 3 less of them that week, doesn't do her any harm, also means 10 mins less that week on Facebook but I think she can cope with that.

I love the 'if people didn't wax they would have time for sport'

If I didn't wax (I actually don't because I don't like pain, I shave/ veet) I would blatantly just have 10 more minutes MNing lol

LOL me too Kayano. Nothing would have enticed me to do sports as a teenage girl. I was far too interested in my friend, listening to music and reading Smash Hits!

I meant friends, obviously I had more than one friend. These days though....!

Hmmm. I take your point about faffing, but I'm sure that most females didn't spend as much time on their 'grooming' then as they do now. Eg only the really rebellious school girls wore much in the way of make-up to school when I was there whereas now it seems that most 12-15 YOs have foundation, eye-liner, mascara and lip gloss or lipstick on.
Fake tans. Hardly anyone ever had a fake tan when I were a lass. I'm sure there are far more products and gadgets than there used to be. I suppose people did some other things that have gone out of fashion like putting their hair in curlers or rags overnight but I think these things are the exceptions.
And I take your point about waxing only taking 10mins, but you still have to go to the salon, (wait 20 mins while the beautician runs late), have your beauty treatment and then PAY for it.
I sometimes look at girls wearing cropped tops, midriff on display and feel so grateful that I wasn't young when that look was fashionable. And having your bra on display. I'm not saying I think there's anything wrong with it, but again, I'm glad that the only bras available in 'my day' were white or nude as I just wouldn't have had the funds or time to spend shopping for pretty bras. It seems to me that removing your pubic hair is adding to the burden of all this grooming, aside from the concern that boys/men are MORE LIKELY to want or expect their female partners to depilate.
I see what you mean about stats, but the health professionals who have posted on here and refs to quotes from academics do seem to point to it involving a lot of people.

Being ridiculed for being fat or having different nipples are just other examples of how women are expected to conform to a specific beauty model.
People do worry about other things that not to say you can't discuss this. I think it is all cumulative anyway. Sexualisation of young girls and encouraging women to be sexually submissive leads to more teen pregnancy etc.
It's about ALL female grooming taking time away from doing other things. And the time spent worrying about looks. Applying makeup, doing hair, hair removal it all adds up to a lot of time.

I agree krum. Just because women are ridiculed for other things doesn't mean this isn't an issue.