AIBU to think that it very sad that young girls

[fartattack]

nowadays seem to believe that all hair on their bodies must be waxed off entirely.

I know some people say they prefer it but IME young girls ALL seem to think it's normal to be totally hair free. WHY??

AIBU to think this is terribly sad that they are put under this pressure to wax it all off all the time.

Worra 'Let young people do what they want with their own bodies without judging them'

You are totally missing the point, no-one is judging on here. People are making judgements in RL though as pointed out by many posters when they have chosen not to conform to this hair removal trend they have been judged.

Many people have said on here it is a trend. Trends come and go and in the main trends about 'group think' and not always about individual choice.

Not conforming to a fashion trend and having someone judge you is one thing, having sex for the first time and having the boy comment negatively about your hairy vagina is completely different IMO.

"You are totally missing the point, no-one is judging on here."

You are judging though. You are judging their motives for hair removal and making assumptions by assuming that people do it due to peer pressure. Overall, you are judging them for doing it. It's just a fashion trend.

Yes Crashdoll I am making assumptions based upon things I have read, people I have spoken to and my experience of how people behaviour towards trends and group thinking. Just as you are making assumptions to come to your conclusion that I am wrong. This is not academic research with hard evidence it's my opinion.

I am NOT however judging people who want to be completely hair free. I am saying that I think it's sad that girls who maybe wouldn't want to be hair free might either become hair free because of society trends and those that don't may be ridiculed for not adhering to current trends. Of this I have some evidence because posters have said they have had this happen to them. Therefore on this point I am not making assumptions.

I don't think you can ask somebody not to make a judgement or deduce any opinion of any sort, or we'd all be silent on here.

Just because it's a fashion, or a trend, doesn't mean it's not harmful. The pressure to be very slim is a trend too, one propagated by the media, and very harmful to young girls. I see this in the same vein, and definitely link it to the massive availability of porn.

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/12/the-new-full-frontal-has-pubic-hair-in-america-gone-extinct/249798/3/

"And among women, Herbenick says, pubic grooming habits and preferences tend to spread among friend groups -- which leads to "clumps," she says, of women with similar grooming regimens. "Friends talk," she says. "So especially among teenagers and college students, when everyone is trying to be the same, 'the same' is what you get."

"Herbenick recalls one encounter in which a popular, well-liked college student in a class she taught openly professed that he had never hooked up with a girl who had pubic hair, and would frankly be disgusted to undress a woman and discover a veil of genital fur.

"Some girls talked to me and wrote in their papers that they had always had pubic hair, and in a couple cases never did anything to their pubic hair," she said. "They never thought it was a problem. But when he said that, they went home and changed it. They really started to feel ashamed about their bodies."

My issue is so what if teens bow to peer pressure? It's not causing them long-term harm. Ok, so waxing isn't exactly painless but there are other ways of being hair free.

Crashdoll the problem is women feeling ashamed of their bodies.
The problem is male sexuality being seen as paramount to women's.

Crashdoll
What about the ones who don't succumb to peer pressure and possibly get the piss taken out of them by a boyfriend because it has become the norm to be hair free? That could have lasting negative feelings in regard to body image.

But it's not just women anymore. There's equal pressure on males to be hair free and to moisturise, to pluck their eyebrows etc.

fartattack You could replace 'hair free' with anything else; twats may take the piss out of them for wearin glasses or being too fat or too thin.

crashdoll
Just because people could take the piss for any other reason doesn't lessen my argument.
It's like saying lets not talk about x problem of bullying because there is also y and z problems of bullying.

plus it's a really intimate area to have the piss taken out of

We should be teaching young people that twats are twats whatever they tease you about, not worrying about the state of their pubic hair. It's about building confident and self-esteem and encouraging young people to feel happy in their own skin and if being happy involves following the crowd, as long as it's not dangerous, I genuinely do not see the issue

I'm not saying you're wrong at all. I just disagree with your opinion and I'm giving mine.

crashdoll

I agree we should teach our children to not worry about what others think etc etc but I honestly don't think any amount of parenting would be able to build a child strong enough to withstand a boyfriend take the piss out her/his pubic region. Especially as it would be looking as nature intended.

See, IMO the nature intended argument is a slippery slope. We do lots of things to ourselves that change the way nature made us. I agree that pubic hairstyles are a very sensitive matter though.

Especially as it would be looking as nature intended.

do you think we should look as nature intended in all respects, or just wrt pubic hair?
should men let their beards grow, none of us ever cut our hair?
what about men who with shaven heads?

it's not even a slippery slope it's an irrational premise for any argument

I don't think it is just about bullying. When you grow up people accept glasses or whatever but women are still expected to be hair free.
There is not the same expectation on men. There simply isn't.

Mercury some men have beards, some don't. They arnt ridiculed for it.
ALL women are expected to hair remove. It's about changing your body in order to be sexually acceptable not just for the fun, trying out a new style.

I disagree, I feel the trend is moving towards women expecting men to be hair free too.

That's ridiculous, all women are not expected to be hair free. I have only kept myself neat and tidy and haven't had any pressure otherwise.

mercury
saying that we should look like nature intended is totally rational actually. And anyhow it was not my premise for an argument it was an aside at the end my premise.

I think men still have alot of anxieties about appearance, not having a perfect physique, male pattern baldness, penis size.

I agree things are not symmetrical for both genders but there is still (apparently growing) pressure on men to live up to an ideal

Oh and men do get slated for having beards. I've read several threads on here about it!

Then, we should be naked really, as nature intended us.....