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To wonder why my overweight friend won't try harder?

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MsBrown · 07/08/2012 15:58

I have a friend who is morbidly obese. Her mother died last year in her sleep at the young age of 44 due to high blood pressure. Her mum was also largely overweight and was a much loved nurse (on the heart ward!). i loved her dearly. Her death was a huge shock. She'd never been diagnosed with high blood pressure before.

Since then, my friend - who has NEVER bothered about her weight before - has suddenly become obsessed with it. She inherited a lot of money from her mum's death, as well as being left the house. She's converted one of the rooms into a gym and also bought a year's membership at the local gym. In a year - she's been once, and never used the gym equipment in her own home.

I tried to help her by saying i'd exercise with her, we'd do something fun, i'd help her do a healthy meal planner etc. She said no because she doesn't like exercise, and she doesn't like fruit/veg.

I told her that it's still possible to eat less fatty foods without consuming a tonne of veg. I told her it's still possible to lose weight without exercising for hours each day. But she said she couldn't be bothered with it all. She wants a quick fix. She's been looking online at the stomach band thing, and has also bought some diet pills online from America.

I've seen the film 'Requiem for a Dream' and it's made me petrified of diet drugs. I told her this, and she said a friend recommended them to her and she's fine with them having traces of speed in them if it'll make her thin!

Anyway, they made her ill, so her new thing is Herbalife. She tried it for a morning, said it was disgusting, and hasn't touched it again. yet more money down the pan.

meanwhile she's eating utter crap and getting little to no exercise each day. Her work is literally next door to her home. She gets taxis everywhere else. She works full time and get's takeouts every lunchtime, and takeaways every dinnertime. She keeps NOTHING in her fridge, but her freezer's always packed full.

I told her to make a packed lunch each night before work, but she says she can't bothered. It's quicker to get a takeaway.

I was looking at old school pics of us today and she's always been very overweight, but she's positively ballooned in the last ten years. nothing in the high street fits her anymore.

She's not depressed. She is not called names etc by random people. She is actually very popular in our town and much loved by everyone. So it's nothing to do with comfort eating etc as she's always been the same. She just loves food.

Last week, i invited her round to mine for dinner after work. She came and while i was cooking, she devoured a full multipack of crisps (10 packets!) and 4 of my daughter's chocolate bars from her treat tub.

I told her that's not on and i want money for them. She laughed and handed me over a tenner (so i actually made quite a profit, but thats not the point). I told her she has a cheek to complain about her weight when she eats like this. her excuse was 'but i've not eaten anything all day. I've been good so deserve a treat.'

I gave her dinner - Leek and potato soup with brown bread. She told me she hates bread, so left that, but ate the soup no problem. She asked for second helpings, and then thirds... I'd made a full pot (enough normally to freeze into 12 portions) and there was nothing left!

I told her that i'd give her the recipe for it, but she refused and said she doesn't like cooking.

She then went into my living room and started farting and burping away! She always does this when she's here and it bugs the hell out of me! Her wind is seriously disgusting because of her diet, and i tell her this all the time. It goes on for about an hour, i'm having to open all the windows etc, letting all the heat out. And when she leaves, like i always do when she visits, i need to shove all loose fabrics such as cushion covers etc into the wash because they reek of her wind! She's just soooo lazy and is really starting to bug me!

On the other hand, i have another mutual friend who is overweight, and has always been upset about it. Two years ago, she decided enough was enough and has managed to lose 4 stone, through gentle exercise and small changes to her diet.

It doesn't take much effort, so why can't my other friend do the same? The 'quick fix' approach obviously isn't working for her so what will? I'm really worried about her and angry too.

OP posts:
DefenceAgainstTheDarkArts · 07/08/2012 16:50

Dante - yes, though probably not at a clinic.

OP - Oh you told her to her face she's fat and smelly. Silly me, you're a lovely person after all. Biscuit

harrap · 07/08/2012 16:52

In my time.
I should add that I don't think you don't care about your friend, I just think, as others have said, you can't get her to lose weight. In my experience the feeling that that someone close to me is monitoring my eating makes me want to eat more. Crazy, but there it is-I think possibly taking food out of your cupboards could be something similar.

MsBrown · 07/08/2012 16:52

@ SquealyB - I've explained the food and money thing a few posts up. Thanks for your reply. Lighterlife is something i've heard about, but i'm sure it's a very low cal diet? The thing with my friend is that she loves food too much. She hates feeling hungry. She likes taste and texture too much and doesn't like anything being denied to her. I'm not sure if there's such a diet that would allow for her to carry on being this way and still lose weight. And i believe this is why she's on the hunt for quick fixes that won't limit her food intake. such a pills.

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RichTeas · 07/08/2012 16:54

Hard to know what to further recommend without knowing your friends weight or age. If she is young and not so heavy it may well be possible to leave her to her own devices (as another poster suggested) but if she is really heavy, then you are not doing her or yourself any favours by letting her eat herself to an early grave like her mother. I agree with other's advice of not being interested in false-solutions but still being supportive. There is a way of getting her to a therapist, it's not like you're suggesting she have surgery or anything, just a chat with a therapist. You have to figure out a way to do that, without being a nag, but also without being defeatist. If you want to help her, you have to do that, if you can't do that, then let her continue her binge eating and stop complaining about it.

MsBrown · 07/08/2012 16:57

@Defense, are you actually reading my posts? I've never called her fat and smelly. I'm not a 6 year old. When she eats my food to that extent (when i can barely afford food as it is), yes i tell her i'm angry, i tell her she should know better, and yes i demanded she paid me for them. If it was a packet or two then fine. I wouldn't have bothered my arse. The fact is, she ate snacks that were suppposed to have lasted my household a fortnight.

When she passes wind, yes i tell her i think it's rank and can she please go to the loo and do it there instead. She doesn't. She laughs about it, its on my couch and carries on.

If you can't be so honest with your mates, then i'd be more worried about your own friendships.

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danteV · 07/08/2012 16:59

How is it rude to tell someone you don't like them farting, stinking your house out and eating your food without asking?
I was brought to think doing all of the above was rude. Seems mum was wrong.

SquealyB · 07/08/2012 17:00

Yes lighter life is a very low calorie diet. It is medically supervised and atttending the counselling sessions is a requirement to continue on the programme plus regular check ups. It is recommended by NICE as an effective obesity treatment. It is not for everyone but it does work and she can start it quickly.

TBH - if I were you I would just mention it to her in a very casual way and say you have heard it gives really quick results. If she is in any way curious she will then do her own research and will go only if she wants to. As mentioned previously you can't make her do it, no one can. But she is clearly an unhappy lady and I think she probably needs support and friendship more than critiscm/judgement however well meaning they are.

TheQueenOfDiamonds · 07/08/2012 17:03

YANBU to worry about the diet pills - They are incredibly dangerous and mixed with all sorts in order to keep them 'legal'.

The rest of It, I can see why you're worried, but I think its none of your business and you do come across as being unkind.

Really though, I'd be the same regarding the pills, if not worse.

Longtalljosie · 07/08/2012 17:08

Wow - I think a lot of people are bringing their own issues onto this thread. OP - there really is nothing you can do. Behave as though she were a heavy smoker. Tell her yes, you would like to see her make healthier choices but you don't believe she will and until she does you're not going to discuss the issue. Don't become her "conscience" when it comes to food.

And if you're strapped for cash, I can quite see how you were angry at her eating all your DC's snacks.

SoleSource · 07/08/2012 17:11

Your friend is grieving and food stops her from feeling pain and unhappiness IMO

DefenceAgainstTheDarkArts · 07/08/2012 17:13

She paid for the food she took, though, and she left you in profit.

Farting is rank but at times you just can't help it. I don't have a weight problem but I did have a wind problem Grin when I had an operation a few months ago. If I'd gone to the loo every time I farted, I'd never have seen the light of day!

It just sounds as if you don't like her and I'm baffled as to why you have her round. The money isn't the issue, she paid, the smelling isn't the issue, people do fart and can't always help it, and how she spends her money is really nothing to do with you.

DoItOnce · 07/08/2012 17:19

I have just read this thread and I have no idea why people are being rude to the OP, she has tried hard to support her friend and has offered practical help to her. She is clearly frustrated with her friend and I dont blame her. If she didn't care then she wouldn't have posted.

I think the advise given by DontmindifIdo is spot on. I would tell her that if she decides to do something more positive about her well being you will be there to help but otherwise you don't won't to know as it upsets you.

I don't think I would be tolerant of the farting/burping. I would have to leave her to it or ask her to leave. Confused

My FIL died of obesity at 58, he was offered support from everyone but he just couldn't stop eating. It was awful and I don't know what any of us could have done differently. His quality of life was rubbish for the last ten to fifteen years of his life and it effected everything. I remember when I was alone with him once, that he said he wasn't motivated to do anything as he was only harming himself. This couldn't be further from the truth.

Thistledew · 07/08/2012 17:37

Have you ever had a conversation with her about where you both see yourself in 4 years time? Maybe ask her what she sees herself doing by the time of the next Olympics? Has she considered she might be bed bound by then?

Apart from that, there is little you can do. Ultimately you have to consider whether you like her enough to put up with the smell and the fact you might be supporting her through a dramatic decline in her health. She may not feel like it, but she is choosing to be the way she is, and you are perfectly within your rights to decide whether or not this is an aspect of her personality that you enjoy being around.

JessieMcJessie · 07/08/2012 17:46

10 packs of crisps and 4 bars of chocolate BEFORE dinner? That's disgusting. Though maybe if she had been getting more than a bowl of soup for her tea she might not have been so greedy upstairs Grin That level of eating is virtually suicidal and to do it in company shows a total lack of self-awareness. You are right to be concerned, sounds like, with her mother's tragically young death, she has huge issues to deal with. Don't give up - is there any sort of support group she could go to?

fuzzpig · 07/08/2012 18:01

She won't change until she is ready, and suddenly being unhappy with her weight is not the same as being ready.

I would probably say "I have made suggestions and you chose not to take them - I don't think I can discuss this any further" when she complains to you about her weight. It is frustrating listening to my mother people complain about something when they don't do anything about it. I actually have a much higher BMI than my mum and while I am not happy about it, I accept that I have too much shit going on to focus on it right now so while I am trying to make better choices, I am not complaining to anyone because I know I am not in the right frame of mind to act on any advice they might give.

I do agree that the crisps thing was staggeringly rude though.

MaryPoppinsBagsGold · 07/08/2012 18:05

Maybe she talks about her weight and wanting to make changes because she knows that's what you want and she feels judged by you.

I am obese (just) with a BMI of 31, and I know I am I know I need to sort myself out. I just haven't had that Light Bulb moment.

I have lost weight before - 9 years ago I joined WW and I lost 24lb in 5 months. I found it easy - because I reeducated myself as to what food to eat.
This time round and for the last 3 years since having DS2 I have found it so hard, as my problem is not ignorance about food but much more deep routed, linked to feeling down. And having a unhealthy attitude to food. good vs bad food and thinking if I eat a biscuit or chocolate bar I have fucked up my diet - so I give up for that day/ week!

The eating of the crisps and chocolate bars is just rude!

I don't know how you can help her Sad
Has she had counselling?

redexpat · 07/08/2012 18:11

Wow OP you are getting a flaming which I don't think you deserve. You are clearly frustrated by your friend and her inaction to change her situation. Unfortunately you can't make the change for her. I think you may have to say to her: I no longer wish to listen to you talk about your weight when you are taking no reasonable action to rectify it. Would that help?

Krumbum · 07/08/2012 18:21

It is not as easy as your making out. That's the problem. You don't understand the addiction. Losing weight when food is so central to your life is bloody hard and then thing you crave is all around you all the time!
Her mum dying will make no difference because we still all believe 'it won't happen to me' that's why people smoke, take drugs, drive even!
It's wonderful that she doesn't hate herself. Self hatred does not encourage change like your assuming.
She may feel at some point that she is mentally ready to lose weight, she may not. It's really nothing to do with you. It's her body.

Krumbum · 07/08/2012 18:24

Doitonce. You don't die of obesity. You can die because of disease that is exacibated by weight. Obesity isn't an illness itself.

TheMonster · 07/08/2012 18:28

Size-wise, it sounds like I am on a parr with your friend. Except I wouldn't be your friend. I want friends who accept me for what I am without telling me to change - I KNOW I need to change.

TheMonster · 07/08/2012 18:29

And to those who have suggested counselling - there is nothing out there to help people like me and the OP's friend. Believe me, I have tried.

bobbledunk · 07/08/2012 18:30

I understand your frustration but yabvu to think that it's easy to lose an enormous amount of weight. By the sounds of it you're talking quite a few stones here, that is very different from needing to lose ten pounds, you need a lot more than tweaking your diet and 'gentle' exercise.

I had four and a half stone to lose after dd (was immobile for most of the pregnancy for health reasons and permanently starving) and it took between 2 to 3 hours of hard exercise a day on mostly green vegetables and a bit of lean meat to get the weight off. It was torture and I can't imagine how much more difficult it must be for someone who is so fat they are nearing being bedridden, it would be so much harder and take so much longer.

She needs something to really motivate her, a gastric band might do the trick, it would stop the hunger and she wouldn't be physically capable of eating ridiculous amounts of food. The surgery and immediate weight loss might encourage her to go the whole hog and get her arse in the gym. You can be in the background cheering her to do it properly. Until she gets to that stage you need to back off a bit.

It sounds like your friend has got herself in a real rut and only she can drag herself out of it. Talk about things other than her weight. I don't think there is anything else you can do. She can't go forward until she's ready and she's not ready.

As for the farting, it's annoying but very mean and insensitive to point it out and order her to the bathroom. She's not doing it on purpose and is probably really embarrassed by it, her laughing about it is just a way to hide her embarrassment.

Krumbum · 07/08/2012 18:33

It's incredibly patronising to suggest counselling to someone because they are overweight. Unless they have an eating disorder (which the op believes this woman doesn't) then it will do nothing.
Do smokers all need counselling?

SoleSource · 07/08/2012 18:36

Are you jealous of her inheritance?

theinets · 07/08/2012 18:38

She sounds gross, farting and stinking your house out . Have you told her you find it disgusting?