I do not understand why people have kids when they can not afford them.

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I know this topic will create lots of critics but i want to share my thoughts and see if anyone agrees or i am the odd one out.
I come from a european country where the fertility rate is 1.4 that is each woman/family has 1.4 child. Grandparents very often are the to help, but women (and men) are responsible enough not to have children if they can not afford them or look after them.
I grew up thinking that i want children not because i want them for me but because i have to donate life and their life must be a good life. Children are not mine but they are individuals.

Having said that, when i moved to the UK, i realised how things are different.
I feel that many people think children will not change their lives, they get pregnant easily, they do not really worry too much (and take contraception) in order to avoid pregnancies.
Then, when they have the child, you see that often these children live in broken families, or the single mothers do not have 50 pounds to buy them a decent meal, or they are left in front of the tv all summer because they had not planned childcare is expensive and grandparents live far.

Children should be planned carefully, i think and it is very selfish to have them without thinking of (and being ready for) the consequences.

Nobody has answered my questions.

I can't believe it changed nurses to murderers

'xenophobia' carer obviously!!

Sorry scrounger can't answer your questions as I have no idea why people think that way

Because cater when you run out of replies resort to accusing your opponent of something heinous. First rule of debating, just listen to the MPs.

Ah ghosthip your usual retort when you lost the debate about the OP's point that people should take personal responsibility for paying for their own children and think of their family planning rather than expecting the rest of us to bail them out all the time.

If Novack is so sure of her facts then why doesnt she talk to the police about us "anti immigrant xenophobes"

Bloody phone scroungin sorry, could take a guess but it would probably be deleted

Ignore scrounging.
And can I suggest you change your nn.
I'm so not comfortable addressing you with that name, as someone back on benefits I know how hard it is, please don't let the bastards get you down.

Is Novack drunk? You're not making sense. My 'usual retort'. I don't have a book of retorts for each debate I get into, and since I've never been in this one before I doubt it's my 'usual'. You're confusing me more and more.

When one has lost an argument one tends to call the other side a racist or criticise their spelling.

carer yes that's just what I pay the police to do is to go chasing after any fool on the internet.

We are going to need considerably larger bingo cards

What you pay? Oh you mean we.

Yep Resorting to name calling has the added effect of making you look childish as well!

Oh you personally pay all police wages do you?

honey.
This is a horrible thread, isn't it?

Has Norvack lost the plot

Because you know that your allegations have no basis in fact. And you know damn well that the police DO go after people WHEN it does happen as has been so well demonstrated by cases involving Twitter in recent months.

Well ghostship since you have no facts to back up anything you say and are now starting with the personal insults time to block you and leave you.

Is calling those on low wages or benefits immigrant bashers a new one for the bingo cards?

If only you could block on MN

1. Back what up? What would you like me to back up?
2. Pretty sure you got personal first.
3. Do we have a block function?

Maybe novack has blocked the thread, shame I was wondering what random madness would be spouted next

Ok have I got this now?

If you are unemployed you are lazy scum because you won't get off your arse (sic) to take just any job, BUT if you take just any job to avoid unemployment you are still lazy scum if that job is low paid. Because people in low paid jobs are lazy and not worth even NMW. If I do get a higher paid job one day I am still scum because I had a period of needing financial help.

So whatever I do or whatever happens now I'll always be scum. That's a great incentive.

What's it like to be so perfect?

Scrounge please don't forget that if you make something for yourself, work hard and one day are in the position to pay someone else you are then exploitative scum.