Im thinking of setting up a petiton i think iding as gone too far what do you think?

[rushgirl28]

I think iding has gone far enough i got told to to leave a bookies was humiated and upset i didnt think bring my passport on holiday then i found out my expired passport no use cant be used.Which means if i want to b an adult i have to pay money out to get a id.its not fair and going to be 30 in two weeks anyone else feel the same?if do i going set up the petition?

Me too heaven it doesn't help that in places like ours we are also dealing with addiction and anything or anyone that gets in the way of a person trying to fulfill that addiction is not exactly well received :(

Think 25 is just taking the whole thing way too far - stopping people who are seven whole years over the age limit and demanding ID, ffs? Feel sorry for the shop assistants who have to do this and put up with grumpy responses.

Last time someone in a supermarket tried to ID me, I did a double take and asking him 'you ARE joking, aren't you?' He said 'no' with a straight face, so I started rootling through my bag, only for him to say 'ha ha, fooled you'. Tosser!

The whole think 25 thing is because 18 is so hard to judge! A 15/16 yr old may well pass for 18 hell if they are tall/ have facial hair they might even pass for 21 but it is MORE unlikely that a 16/17 yr old will attempt to pass for 25

I am divided, tbh.

My eldest at 27 gets ID'd, my 16 year old gets served for her.

My eldest has dyslexia and would regulary lose her ID, they won't accept her work badge , even when she is in uniform, even though you cannot do my DD's job under 18. She often stands outside the shop asking people to go in for ciggies for her.

I can understand it from a business owener POV and the law, but it is a shame that a margin of discretion cannot be used.

I have never understood why we allow marriage at 16, but everything else is 18 and have this '25' ID system.

I don't think that having the ID system is stopping under age activity, any law is supposed to be evidenced based, so where is the evidence?

There cannot be a margin of discretion because it is down to the opinion of the individual member of staff if they think that person looks old enough. If you are judging whether someone looks 18 or not then there is obviously more chance of getting it wrong.
Myself and my co worker have a a huge difference of opinion when it comes to how old people look, the think 25 policy helps make sure we get it right.

I find now that most 18-22 year olds carry I.D as most places are stricter on this than ever before.

My commercial premises include a bar. I am the licensee (DPS) and I find that the ones who really are over 18 are perfectly civil, and usually have a driving licence (occasionally passport) with them.

As ever, the ones who say "what do you need that for? I've never been so insulted? Of course I am" are the ones who aren't.

Our licencing officer requires us to keep a "refusals book" where we note down the date, description, name if known, of people who look young and we refuse to serve on grounds of age. I also note the young people whose id I have confirmed, to save asking them again.

I have sometimes seen girls who look 18-ish, until another day, you recognise them in the street in their school uniform and white socks.

The local authority and police do agent provocateur underage mystery shoppers. A licencee can be heavily fined, and lose his licence and his livelihood.

I live across the way from a supermarket and have done for 8 years. I am in there at least 3 times a week. Every worker there knows me and over time, recognises me and recalls they have seen my ID. Apart from this one woman who never asks me for ID when I am buying cigarettes, but does when buying alcohol with barely a glance at me before then saying "Sorry, once I have asked, I can't go back" which has annoyed me over the past couple of weeks as I have lost my drivers licence and awaiting on my replacement.

I agree with asking for ID, but I do think some take the piss with it. I would never sign a petition to have it stopped though, because I would prefer to go without alcohol or cigarettes or go elsewhere for them than for underage children to get their hands on them.

yabu - as others have said the individual serving is liable for a fine so challenge 25 is designed to take away the likelihood of a mistake being made. You don't want to pay £15 for ID, fair enough, but the person serving you really doesn't want to be fined and lose their job. Trading standards do send underage customers in and it's horrible for a member of staff when they get caught out.

What would you suggest to make it better? Genuine question.

no i didnt sarah cause im adult not a kid

But people are still happy to get served for kids and 18+ friends buy the ale for all of them.

Unless the goverment can prove this is doing anything other than inconvenience adults (since this has came in, teen hospital admissions for alcohol poisining is on the rise), it needs a rethink.

I agree that there should be national strategies for alcohol consumption, but we shouldn't have anything inflicted onto us, unless it is a proven help.

you have admit asking a 96 year old for id now that is silly surely we all agree.

Think you are being ridiculous now

So,why were you humiliated?

We should have a universal card that is free.

thats nice criticising someones typing

The thing is, many adults are going in and buying alcohol and cigarettes for those underage. I have lost count the amount of times I have been asked (and said no). I don't think that an awful lot used to go in and buy the alcohol themselves.

They need to target the kids hanging around the shops, and the adults going in for them. I was only 13 when me and my mates started asking (really regret it now) and we never had to ask many people before someone agreed. Sometimes didn't even need to ask more than one person. Something needs to be done about that IMO.

To be fair griping at someone for their spelling and punctuation is clutching at straws in an argument.

Anyway people who have said its only 'x amount for ID'. No it isn't. A lot of places will only accept provisional and passport. I don't drive and dont travel, why should I have to fork out?

However I do agree with ID cards as a whole. Not ones that make the government millions though.

You haven't answered my question about whether you have a mobile phone worth £70 that you have to guard from theft.

We need to firm system in place to stop underage people being served. Thinking of some of the 16/17 year olds I know challenge 25 makes sense, just makes sure that the person who is buying is old enough to do so.

My Ds has a pass card thingie, It's always been accepted it cost £15.