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Dad's wife at wedding AIBU to ask for advice how to handle this

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ComeBackasaFlower · 23/07/2012 11:05

N/C regular...

I'd prefer not to have my Dad's wife at my wedding.

My Dad remarried about 5 years ago after my parents divorced when I was an adult. I have a very good relationship with him, but his wife is pretty much a stranger to us. Their relationship strikes me more as that of convenient companionship as opposed to any great love match. When I have encountered of her, I've felt she is someone to whom I wouldn't ordinarily warm regardless of circumstances. We have never really had the opportunity or desire to build a relationship, which suits all parties fine for the most part, but when it comes to our (intimate, close friends & family) wedding, it poses a problem as I'm not sure I feel comfortable having a virtual stranger there. Particularly one whose presence is certain to make my Mum feel extremely uncomfortable and for whom my sister and Grandma have very little time (to put it mildly)

I'm also concerned that my Dad will be fulfilling a traditional role on the day, escorting me to the ceremony - giving me away, and helping host the reception, so his wife will be on her own for big swathes of time. The only people at the wedding she knows are my aforementioned sister and grandma, neither of whom will be falling over themselves to make her feel welcome. It's hardly likely to be an enjoyable occasion for her, but she's a bit emotionally neutral, so I think she would just get through it without feeling particularly bothered.

I know I need to have a frank conversation with my Dad since as it stands, I have no idea what his expectations are regarding her attendance. He could be completely in tune with my concerns and have assumed his wife would not attend anyway (although rather unlikely), or equally not have given any thought to any potential issue and be put out at the suggestion she doesn't come. It's very hard to gauge. I know I just have to tread very carefully to ensure this doesn't blow up into a massive, upsetting issue for everyone...

How am I going to handle this? AIBU to ask the advice of strangers on the internet?! Don't want to dripfeed but reluctant to drone on so feel free to ask me to expand on stuff.

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OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 23/07/2012 13:41

I don't think your Mum IBU, if she has anxiety issues then those generally are unreasonable, that's why anxiety issues are so hard. But I don't understand why your sister and your Gran will be 'extremely uncomfortable'.

They might not like it, they might prefer to not have to face her, but how does that equal 'extremely uncomfortable'?

If they really would be that uncomfortable that it will ruin the day for them if she's there, then I think they must have their own bigger issues that have nothing to do with your dads wife. It is unreasonable to get that upset about having to attend a wedding with someone you don't like but can easily avoid.

twofurryones · 23/07/2012 13:42

Oh and in my experience family love to make a big drama about such things in the run up to an event then on the day have a couple of glasses of champagne and forget all about it making you wonder what all the fuss was about.

DontmindifIdo · 23/07/2012 13:43

Steben - the problem with that is, if you offend other people having 'your big day' then you can't be surprised if that has knock on effects in the future, and if you make offensive decisions for your 'big day' other people will judge you from those decisions forever, not just for that day.

But then I'm slightly biased here, my now SIL (married to BIL) decided after inviting DCs to her wedding that just over a month before (when invites were sent a year before) that she'd uninvite some DCs, not all, just the ones she thought might 'ruin it' - my DS was too young to really understand, but it did mean she cancelled two little neices from being bridesmaids... Funnily enough those little girl's mum hasn't spoken to her since. She didn't understand why she couldn't just 'have her day' well she did, it's just that she's suddenly found a few friends aren't quite so keen on meeting up.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 23/07/2012 13:46

I'm too slow at typing. I've cross posted with loads of you. RumpleStiltzkin makes some very good points.

JamieandTheOlympicTorch · 23/07/2012 13:50

Honestly, just invite her. You'll have the glow of knowing you were the bigger person. Anything else is a shoddy sop to people who should be a bit more grownup (easy to say, I know).

Do a thought experiment - you are inviting her, you tell anyone who questions it (will they question it??) that of course your dad's wife is coming - she's his wife! You think about the seating. You are sweet and welcoming to her. You let the rest of them get on with it

scorchienne · 23/07/2012 13:50

As the majority have said, I too think you must invite your dads wife to your wedding. I also think people will be more gracious at her attendance there than you might be giving them credit for - at the end of the day everyone there will want you to have a wonderful day so will do their utmost to ensure that happens.

As way of an example: At my own wedding we had 20 people, including the new wife of my fil. Fil had an affair with new wife for 15 years before he split from mil. DH and I chatted prior to our wedding and both agreed that she must be invited, regardless of the fact that there were so few people attending, and most of those were the relatives of mil. Mil put her own feelings aside, other relatives spoke to new wife and were perfectly pleasant to her during the day. What we did do which helped I think, was we went for a meal with fil and new wife, mil and new partner a week before the wedding so the first time they all "met" as is were was not our wedding day :)

ComeBackasaFlower · 23/07/2012 13:51

So long as you don't mind blatantly making that point, and your Dad won't be hurt, you can keep your other relatives happy without a qualm. No?

That's what I'm hoping it's just taking that leap into having the conversation with my dad without being sure whether he will be hurt or not...

squeaky
Honestly, my Dad will not be trying to spare any feelings with the way he conveys his relationship. He's rather insensitive (rang my Mum for a chat the other night and ended up regaling her with tales of his and his wife's recent holiday and saying "oh you'd have loved it" not out of malice or spite, just PURE insensitivity - he didn't realise what he was saying, just honestly thought my Mum would have loved it!!!!!)

I'm not in the 'it's your big day camp so do exactly as you please' camp No, neither am I. This is primarily a celebration to thank all the people who have played a part in our relationship. We are going to great lengths to ensure various people's needs are accommodated. There are no +1s as we don't need them, we've been together 9 years and know everyone and everyone's partners, it's an intimate wedding in that respect - everyone knows everyone else and is very close.

your sister clearly invited her to your nephew's christening No, that was my brother's son's christening. Dad and wife were newly together then, and we were all making an effort to get along.

And your dad's wife 'is' family I think that's the crux of it - she really doesn't feel like family. They live far away and I've only met her on a couple of occasions. She does not feel like part of my family.

You sound like a family deliberately setting out to dislike this woman That's not true. At the start we were so relieved he had found a companion that we were falling over ourselves to welcome her.

My Mum really isn't being a drama queen or playing the martyr. She is not making me choose and as I have said, has remained quiet on the whole issue. I'm still trying to find the right words to explain her feelings.

RumpleStiltzkin

I never said that. It was another poster who did. But thank you for the rest of your post.

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JamieandTheOlympicTorch · 23/07/2012 13:51

Or don't invite your dad.

MardyArsedMidlander · 23/07/2012 13:58

You know -your parents might not like your husband to be. Or one day, you'll have children and loathe their chosen partners. But this is when good manners come in handy- part of rubbing along as a family is being a little bit accepting.
BTW I think it's bloody cruel of your dad to intimate or state outright that his wife is a compromise or convenience on his part. Poor woman!

Lemonylemon · 23/07/2012 13:59

OP: I think (in my opinion) that it is a fact of life that not everybody gets on. That's the way it is. BUT to be divisive is acting in a way that is not necessary or helpful. Yes, it's your wedding, and yes, I know the saying "Your day, your way". But, have some compassion. I don't think that you can really comment on your Dad and step-mother's marriage (or anyone else's marriage, for that matter) as nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Seating plans at weddings tend to be a bit tribal - maybe lateral thinking about a seating plan might not go astray? Round tables instead of long ones? A round top table with best man and gf/wife and bridesmaid and bf/husband? Tables can then be split into groups and you can then avoid the usual politics of the top table + grandmother. (If your g/m is registered blind, does she have daily carers coming in? Is she in a home? If so, can one of the carers come with her?)

You could also put someone on Mum watch too? A cousin, sister, etc? A G&T before the dinner may also work a treat ;)

At the end of the day, all these people are adults and should know to contain themselves/behave themselves on someone's big day. I would think very, very carefully about not inviting your step-mother - as someone else has said, the knock on effects may be more than you bargained for.

If you invite her, hope that she doesn't come along. If she does, then arm all and sundry with the tried and trusted MN phrases such as "Oh, I hope you didn't mean to sound so rude" etc. if she passes one ascerbic comment too many.....

2rebecca · 23/07/2012 14:00

It sounds as though your mum does have unresolved problems with your father. My ex can happily say "you'd have loved it" to me about a holiday he's been on with his partner and I don't find it insensitive or upsetting because he is my EXhusband and I no longer want to go on holiday with him and I know he is not trying to wind me up or upset me, just showing that we had alot of years together and he knows my likes and dislikes.

emdelafield · 23/07/2012 14:03

Many years ago I went to a wedding where I knew no one apart from the bride. She made every attempt to make me feel welcome and I was very touched.

I went to the hen night and the "show of presents" (don't think people have them now-like a baby shower in bride's mum's house). By the wedding day I at least knew a few people.

On the day I had someone to sit with in church and a lively mixed age table who made me feel very included.

I am now in my 50's but have friends aged from mid twenties to mid sixties. I can speak to anyone and I am sure your dad's wife will have a good time if you put some thought into seeing things from her point of view.

RumpleStiltzkin · 23/07/2012 14:06

Ah I see, apologies for the misread. In that case, is the polite letter to your MIL an option? The key thing would be to respect their relationship and make the point that of course she would ordinarily be invited but that you're concerned for your Mum.

sugarandspite · 23/07/2012 14:11

Apologies if this has already been mentioned and I missed it, but how committed are you to having a traditional top table? I only ask as it would seem to solve this problem for you - each set of parents could 'host' a table and you and your DH get to sit with your best mates. We did this and it was so so much more enjoyable than being watched while you eat!

Asan aside, I bet your best man's wife would be grateful - a 4yr old and 3 month old on your own during a formal dinner will not be fun!

JennerOSity · 23/07/2012 14:15

Do you have a friend of family / less close relative who you could get to ask your Dad something like - 'chat chat, so is your wife looking forward to ComaBackAsaFlower's wedding?' Then see if you can gauge from the answer whether an invitation is presumed/expected/of interest/likely to be accepted etc.

That could help take some of the uncertainty out of your decision making process

ComeBackasaFlower · 23/07/2012 14:18

Ok,

Your Mums anxiety issues are not .... your Dads fault

Well they kind of are, coming home and announcing you had an affair but it's all over now, that's ok isn't it? What's for Dinner? Might have a bit of an effect on one's anxiety.

My Dad would have quite happily have just carried on as they were. But in the end they split. He has made it pretty clear that he hates being alone and must have a companion, he wasn't banking on this 'companion' insisting they marry. He went along with it out of fear of being alone. He told us this pretty much verbatim. See various posts above for his habit of not sugarcoating the truth to spare feelings.

I suspect my Dad would take my Mum back in a heartbeat if she'd have him. She is very content on her own. For the sake of a quiet life she has settled into an easy friendship with him. He phones her for chats all the time (when his DW is out - of course) and is planning to visit her next week.

When he got together with his now wife, my Mum was as relieved as the rest of us as it meant he might be less miserable and able to move on and stop bothering my Mum all the time. At my nephew's christing, my Mum fronted it out although it could have been a little awkward that he was there with this new wife and she was still alone. She was adult about it though.

The first exchange she had with Dad's wife was this sneery comment about the christening. My Mum wasn't precious about that in itself, she possibly wasn't that enamoured with the pomp of a catholic christening herself deep down. No, it was more the insensitivity and inappropriateness of the comment, on their first conversation, one which my mum had been steeling herself for, and had hoped would be cordial and polite. She hasn't based her entire view on the woman on this one remark, but it didn't help her to be unbiased when my sister and nan would subsequently complain to her about Dad's wife's behaviour over the years.

My Mum is not an outwardly anxious person, she's very composed. She does however worry extensively about situations which may be awkward or uncomfortable, and rightly or wrongly, the thought of having this lady there and all she represents is enough to cause that worry. The ironic thing is, her utmost concern is that I am as happy as humanly possible, and she is probably frantic with worry that I am worried about her! She has never said anything about her feelings about my Dad's wife at my wedding. But I know she would have an infinitely better time were she not there. When we initially got engaged, I'd flippantly said Oh well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it' when mention was made of any potential issue. It was my sister who pointed out, quite correctly, that Mum will make herself ill if Dad's wife comes to the wedding. She'll have a string of migraines leading up to the day and her blood pressure will rocket. She won't tell us this though. On the day, she will be as composed and convivial as ever, I certainly do not need to put anyone on MumWatch.

Whether it is her problem or not, my Mum's happiness and well being is more important to me than my Dad's when all's said and done. And when I couple that with the happiness of my Grandma, sister and yes, myself, I conclude that I'd rather not have my Dad's wife there.

Plus, now, if my Dad thought my Mum were suffering in any way, I think he'd do anything to assuage it. I actually believe he would put my Mum's wellbeing over that of his wife.

I'm genuinely grateful for everyone's responses and hope the above goes some way to explaining the situation. I still can't really put into precise words why my mum is so upset at the thought of Dad's wife being there if you can't understand it from the above, which I understand and appreciate many might not.

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twofurryones · 23/07/2012 14:26

So no one including her own husband like her or want her to be there, sounds like a decision made.

ComeBackasaFlower · 23/07/2012 14:27

That made me lol a bit two. Thanks. I needed that.

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CotesduRhone · 23/07/2012 14:29

YABU and rude, to be honest. Like it or not she's your dad's wife, you would be putting them in a mortifying position.

CotesduRhone · 23/07/2012 14:30

Although I understand not wanting to upset your mum, she is an adult and should behave as an adult.

RumpleStiltzkin · 23/07/2012 14:30

Hmm.. yes it is a little difficult to understand exactly why your Mum would find it so difficult. But then emotions are not rational and anxiety can be very complex so it's not necessary to understand it, just be understanding iyswim.
I totally get, also, why you feel you want to prioritise your Mum's feelings over your Dad's and certainly over you MIL's, given all that you've said.

RumpleStiltzkin · 23/07/2012 14:32

two made me laugh too. But it also makes me feel a rather sorry for this poor woman. Even if she has been uncouth in the past.

twofurryones · 23/07/2012 14:33

It wasn't meant to! I actually feel quite sorry for the woman, your examples of her behaviour just make her sound a bit socially awkward, your sister and Gran have basically bitched about her like teenagers to the rest of the family so now no one will give her a chance, her husband acts like she means nothing to him and she's about to get shown in no uncertain terms that she is most definitely not a part of the family she married into.

Lemonylemon · 23/07/2012 14:33

OP: When I said this .... I certainly do not need to put anyone on MumWatch I meant it in the spirit of making sure that your step-mother doesn't get close enough to make any disparaging remarks or the such like - not that I thought your Mum would lose her composure etc.

RumpleStiltzkin · 23/07/2012 14:36

Cotes

It doesn't have to be mortifying does it? A polite letter directly to the MIL almost asking permission not to invite her based on her Mum's feelings would give MIL the opportunity to be generous and helpful and respects her realtionship. (Although there is no way to know how this would go down. She might be lovely, she might go spare.)