Men hitting back in self defence?

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Have just been shown a shocking video on you tube of a girl attacking a man (i assume it was her friends taking the video on their mobiles?) and the man punched her back and knocked her out. AIBU to think that it served her right? DP seems to think IABU and that man should have just run away. I kinda feel conflicted now, violence is never good but i am struggling to get past the feeling that she reaped what she sowed.

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It is like the slapping incidents in London, they got more and more bold and an older man was killed infront of his young grand daughter, just for 'laughs'.

You can retaliate against someone weaker and smaller than you, without causing major injuries.

I think that a defense can only be questioned if the persn is on the floor and the 'victim' keeps kicking or hitting them, or you could shove them away, rather than throwing a full punch to the face.

If you attack someone then you should expect for the other person to fight back, regardless of sex

I'm still interested to know what you mean by this, Seeker:

"Yearn, right, he looked such a sweet defenceless soul , didn't he?"

Are you referring to his tattoos or his clothes or something else?

He looks like a frightened somewhat vulnerable man to me.

My 15yo brother got mugged and punched to the floor by a pack of girls. One of them then proceeded to get a knife out cut his shirt off and made him beg her not to carve her name into his back. Gangs of violent girls are on the rise and if anyone regardless of gender is set upon by them then I think they are well within their rights to defend themselves using force, I though the man was quite restrained to be honest, it wasn't a full punch.

Meow sorry no that comment was about me, perhaps I didn't word it well. I was pointing out how I'd sympathised hugely with the man in the vid (and even related it to my brother's own experiences of violence) and yet those in agreement were actually jumping on the feminist comment.

Good grief Varew, thats horrific I hope he's alright now.

Verew

verew that's just made me feel sick to my stomach. If that happened to one of my brothers I would hunt them down. I really really hope he's okay.

So drunk girl attacks man whilst her friends film it , although what sort of friends would allow her to be in that posistion who only knows, man retaliates, drunk girl falls over .
I didn't think the man used excessive force , the final contact appeared to be an opened palmed push to the girls head .
I hope the girl feels utterly ashamed of her behaviour and chooses her drinking buddies more wisely in the future , because the other four girls should be equally ashamed , they put their friend in serious danger with their goading .
I am not sure how it is a feminist issue though . Young female person does something stupid and pathetic whilst under the influence of alcohol , its hardly news is it .

Poor man, hope he is ok and she has learned a lesson, but I suspect not.

greenblue
gotcha, i see what you meant now, i misread you.

i cant help thinking, if it was for the video evidence alot of people would be thinking
"no smoke without fire, he's a big bloke, maybe been drinking"
"but she laid a few punches on me first"
" what? she's 'álf your size mate...hitting a girl, what kind of man are you"

Wonder if the police are involved, hope so as it could be any one of us next or our families.

I was puzzled by Seeker's post on here too - I'm not sure what clip she watched but it wasn't the one I saw.

I think that seeker is of the opinion that the man must have done something wrong and if he didn't she can derail the thread by homing in on the title of the posted video.

I was sent a while back not directly linked but when the producers get all of the bystanders together towards the end it may explain a few things.

I saw the video. But without any backstory I have no idea what happened. I wouldn't condemn anyone (either the man or the woman) on the strength of that. And I am disconcertd by he readiness of women to condemn other women.

And I don't actually think the title of the video is a red herring- and I am not attempting to derail the thread. It just seems to me that anyone who puts up a film with titles like that may not be the World's most reliable witness. I am puzzled by the whole thing. And for what it's worth, I think anyone has a right to defend themselves. I just don't know what's happening here.

It is awful to condemn women when we can just blame the 'mens', no matter how violent and sickening the women's behaviour is, guess for some folk it's always those nasty men's fault. And I'm aware that we don't know the whole story or who originally provoked it but the women involved didn't look threatened or scared but having a bloody good time.

Nope. I didn't say it was the mans's fault. I said I wouldn't condemn anyone on the strength of that film.

Nope. I didn't say it was the mans's fault. I said I wouldn't condemn anyone on the strength of that film.

The clip is also posted under, "Jess Jones of Liverpool getting KO'd".

I agree hownoobrooncoo

And it's fuck all to do with women's readiness to condemn other women either. It's to do with people's readiness to condemn an aggressive, dangerous bastard.

Six of one and two threes of another, that you said it looked like, wasn't it Seeker?

Seeker you've been told the back story. I wish I had print screened the girls apologies about 'drunken mistakes'

You can make a decision based on the video anyway. I don't feel there is a need for a back story. You can clearly see a girl attacking a man who is trying to get away, with her friends giggling in the background.

And the story wasn't posted by a 'witness'. It was RE POSTED as it states in capitals by someone who had seen the video and who knew it would be taken down.

So you take everything you see on utube and Facebook as gospel, do you?

Why was her apology taken down?

What an upsetting video, they were acting like a pack.

I am just going to agreewith greenblue.

This doesn't appear from the video to have anything to do with gender. It is all about people with power using it to hurt someone who appears to have none.

It's so ingrained in our society that women and girls aren't violent that I can understand why some people find it difficult to acknowledge it happens.

Ime of living in a roughish city it's a lot more common than people think and largely unreported.

Men don't report getting being beaten up by women.

If it was a male teenager beating up a middle-aged woman with learning difficulties, it would be seen as the right way round, as it were.