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to think that women are stupid?

534 replies

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 05:57

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

OP posts:
Serenitysutton · 06/07/2012 23:18

You should stop brushing teeth and be Rotten toothless like cave woman. After a that's how they used to make babies. They'll be queuing up.

Latara · 06/07/2012 23:26

So basically i just need to look minging & smell gross like the OP suggests; then go to the club in town where all the fittest men are and, oh wait - what if the doormen can't stand the smell won't let me in?

Ok - i will have to find men at my minging gross level. Hello, junkies in local park!!

nothingoldcanstay · 06/07/2012 23:28

And if we smell because of our hairy pits ...how come it's still ok for men to have hair there?

Cuddler · 06/07/2012 23:41

Its ok for women to have hair there isnt it?Who is stopping you?

Latara · 06/07/2012 23:41

I suspect OP has used feminism as an excuse to fool other women into making no effort with their appearance, while she has spent all day at 'work' (or a beauty salon more like)...

Hownoobrooncoo · 06/07/2012 23:49

Latara - you're kind of proving the OP's point. And are you saying that women who don't buy into the whole 'beauty' regime are mingers - really?

SecretPlace · 06/07/2012 23:54

What a load of shite.

We are free. We make our own decisions. We aren't forced. If I want to follow fashions I will, if I dislike them I don't.

And I don't remove my pubic hair to look like a child thankyou very much. Has it ever occured to you that people like it? Just like we like smooth legs?

YOU'RE the one who is oppressing women. Wanting to take away their choices of how they want to do things, because doing said things means they're not 'free' in your eyes. Don't be so ridiculous.

You've read a stupid book or article and it's twisted your mind into thinking you're superior and need to educate the masses.

SecretPlace · 06/07/2012 23:59

Oh and ancient Egyptians removed body hair, created things to cover body odour, they used cosmetics.

Try telling them that they weren't strong women.

Latara · 07/07/2012 00:06

Well the OP did suggest smelling, er, 'natural' & yes, that is a minging idea. Also body hair - personally if i saw a woman wearing a pair of shorts with very hairy legs then that is also not pleasant.

Plenty of women have eg. grey hair & no make-up & look ok.

But the OP was suggesting we do (or don't do!) much more than just letting hair dye grow out & avoiding makeup....

Krumbum · 07/07/2012 00:08

Haha secret place. Can you explain why almost no men just conveniently ''like the feeling of smoothness'?
Yes we are free but women are told over and over that hairiness is 'unsexy' and when they are smooth they are rewarded by being told they are now attractive. This is social conditioning, obviously. And it effects women negatively by focusing women's worth on their looks and keeps women focusing on their looks instead of other more important things. Open your eyes!

ilovesooty · 07/07/2012 00:11

sadly she is in fact a woman

And a teacher. I just hope she keeps her angry rants out of the classroom.

Serenitysutton · 07/07/2012 00:11

Life is about social conditioning. If the majority of people weren't socially conditioned you wouldn't have anyone to feel superior too, which I feel would be a great shame.

Krumbum · 07/07/2012 00:15

It isnt about being superior, it's about trying to improve things for women. I am taken in by it too and do follow some of the 'rules' of what women should look like but I think awareness of why we do these things and the effect it has is important.

Serenitysutton · 07/07/2012 00:17

Why assume people don't have awareness?

Hownoobrooncoo · 07/07/2012 00:25

You only have to read this thread to see that many posters don't have awareness to the social conditioning of how we expect women to look, and how it pressurises us into what is 'acceptable' if we don't want to be considered totally minging. I buck what's expected a bit, but NLT completely brave enough to totally say Fuck You, so yes I wax my bikini line if swimming, shave my legs if they are on show. If it was acceptable and not frowned upon to have hairy pits and legs, I probably wouldn't shave and wax. I should really have been German.

Serenitysutton · 07/07/2012 00:50

Rubbish. People want to look nice. That's were the social conditioning comes in- what your (socially conditioned) version of nice is. So no make up= not attractive = bare face not attractive = social conditioning.

The fact that people don't want to make themselves Unattractive to prove a point- the fact that they conform to their social conditioning- doesn't mean they don't understand it.

Hownoobrooncoo · 07/07/2012 00:53

So why are some posters saying that they are not affected by social conditioning and others expectations, that they decide and do it totally because they like it - for themselves.

Serenitysutton · 07/07/2012 01:09

I can't see anyone who specifically said that

CaramelisedOnion · 07/07/2012 01:59

I´m a painted whore. I dye my hair, wear false eyelashes and full make up whenever I leave the house, always have my nails painted, wear pretty lingerie, short skirts, tight trousers and sheer tops (not low cut as there´s not much going on there!)

I like fashion, make up and I´m a flirt.

I have my legs waxed, and all my pubic hair waxed off.

I´m a liberated woman. I work a 35 hour week which often become over 40 hours, in a job I love. I´m a single mother to my beautiful son. I pay all the bills, run the house (which I own) and make all my own decisions about my life all by myself as the only man in my life is 17 months old.

I´m learning to fight, because the only thing I feel I can´t do for myself is to defend myself physically as I am quite small. I´m interested in the stock exchange.

I´m a 27 year old woman....and mercifully in this day and age - I have the freedom to be all of the above - as it is the 21st century - and I don´t have to fit a 1950s stereotype of the perfect Stepford wife, nor do I have to fit the 1970s stereotype of the anti sex feminist.

I can do whatever the fuck I want.

Krumbum · 07/07/2012 02:12

Freedom to work full time and do nearly all the childcare. That's not progressive at all. Motherhood is completely undervalued and parenting is still seen as the woman's domain. Having to do that on top of excessive hours making money, having to send your child to a nursery where they are looked after by other women who earn almost nothing doing a completely undervalued and underpaid job. We have more financial freedom but it has come at a cost, women are still treated second best. Things obviously have improved for women but we still have to fight sexism every single day.

goodasgold · 07/07/2012 02:21

Hownoobrooncoo Balls. If my husband didn't wear deoderant or some chemical toxic mask of his natural odour that our dc were genetically programmed to recognise, he wouldn't have a job that involves meeing clients. He also has to wear a piece of rope around his neck. Not for me.

Do you wish you were German? Because then what? You wouldn't have to shave? Or would your chance of equality be better?

Hownoobrooncoo · 07/07/2012 02:30

Yes you are right, wearing a tie round your neck now and again is really equal to what is expected from women in terms of clothing and grooming.

goodasgold · 07/07/2012 02:45

I was just thinking about your comment about living in Germany.

garlicbutt · 07/07/2012 02:58

Hah! Grin

I agree with sentiment of your OP, OP.

This made me very cross, though: tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry

Applying moral judgement to women - especially using the language of woman-hating prostitute users, as you have - is an act of gender oppression. For me, it negated the valid general point you appear to be making.

complexo · 07/07/2012 03:05

I agree with lots of things you say but I will also let my daughter play with barbies and dress up as princesses as well as being fan of Thomas and Spider Man.
Not making the same mistake of my mum. She as a pseudo feminist taught us how men were all the same shit and children a burden, how a woman looking after herself would be no more than a frivolous, shallow little thing.
It ruined our self steem, sense of identity and self worth and also made us mess up every romantic relationship with attempeted to have...

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