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to think that women are stupid?

534 replies

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 05:57

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

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lovebunny · 06/07/2012 18:32

evening! just in from work. you've all been busy today. i'll have a read later...Grin

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Flatbread · 06/07/2012 18:34

Lol Love. Make sure you have Wine as you read through this Grin

Hownoobrooncoo · 06/07/2012 18:44

I'm sort of with you Op.

scottishmummy · 06/07/2012 18:47

i think youre yanking the chain and being provocative op
i anticipate provocative posts
and lots AngryShockHmm but mainly :o:oSmileSmile:o:oSmileSmile

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 19:30
Grin phew! no death threats! a few people seem keen to find out where i work - no rofl smiley on mn, shame. i'm not a troll and it wasn't a wind-up. some asked why the rant, what prompted it - it was another thread, about breastfeeding not being supported. you can't have it both ways - woman as mother and woman as barbie don't mix. a post claimed i was 'sticking the boot in' to women - probably, yes, because we need to think, organise and make things better. and we can do that in heels and make-up, but it needs doing. i have no problem with women going to work or looking nice or both. but there are issues around what counts as 'looking nice' for women, and who decides. someone said 'women aren't stupid, society is', which is fair enough, but women are roughly half of society, aren't they? labia trimming is cosmetic surgery and its going on all over the place. thank you for all your responses, and thank you twice to the people who were brave enough to say that they found some of my points valid. or valid-ish Wink.
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Blistory · 06/07/2012 19:36

Fair play to you for coming back. Next time, could you make it just a wee bit easier for those of us who wanted to defend your points but not the way you made them ? Smile

Xmasbaby11 · 06/07/2012 19:38

This is too badly written to read.

Greythorne · 06/07/2012 19:38

BEst opening post ever.

I agree, lovebunny.

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 19:41

i have no problem with women going to work or looking nice or both.

Oh good. Obviously if you did have a problem I'd would have had to have stopped doing this so that's a relief.

you can't have it both ways

Actually, I can have things anyway I like.

but there are issues around what counts as 'looking nice' for women, and who decides.

Right-ho. Is it going to be you then, doing the deciding? Could you send me a list so I know if I am getting it right. Or should I send you a photo? Let me know what works for you.

labia trimming is cosmetic surgery and its going on all over the place.

Is it? Christ, you'd think they'd confine it to hospitals and the like. It does sound out of hand if its going on "all over the place". Glad you raised it.

yes, because we need to think, organise and make things better.

Thank fuck you are here to sort things out. What would you like me to think? Or shall I do some organisnig whilst you think. Cripes this is exciting!

thank you twice to the people who were brave enough to say that they found some of my points valid.

Firemen are brave. People who agree with people on an anonymous internet forum are not "brave".

WorraLiberty · 06/07/2012 19:42

It's no different to all the other threads on this subject.

Just an opening post full of bile and resentment towards independent young women.

But I suppose it has been a while.

And it gives benefit bashing a break I suppose...

WorraLiberty · 06/07/2012 19:43

Firemen are brave. People who agree with people on an anonymous internet forum are not "brave"

Careful there catgirl

Someone might turn their capslock on and type you to death! Grin

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 19:45

Grin I will deflect with my use of

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 19:47

Just an opening post full of bile and resentment towards independent young women

i need that rofl smiley again.

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MsPaperbackWriter · 06/07/2012 19:48

I think catgirl has answered it pretty well!

Op, you have a couple of teeny valid points but sorry, most of it is a bot rubbish and badly put across

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 19:48

It's not a "rofl smiley" you need I'm afraid.

Lilithmoon · 06/07/2012 19:55

Good job there OP, nice one alienating people who might be interesting in learning more about feminism. How does your rant help? :( Hmm

ceeveebee · 06/07/2012 19:59

But lovebunny you just don't make sense.
I bf my twins. I also have false nails and highlighted hair, always wear makeup, high heels and occasionally fake tan.
I am also going back to work and will continue to bf my twins in the morning and evening.

So why do you seem to think this can't happen?

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 20:05

my point is not that you can't or shouldn't do that - only that it shouldn't be expected of you, and that because that image is promoted, it leads to people expecting women to conform.

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Cuddler · 06/07/2012 20:07

OP-round of applause,i agree with everything you said!

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TalHotBlond · 06/07/2012 20:12

What the fuck...

Dprince · 06/07/2012 20:21

What catgirl said.
OP you can look how you want and still breast feed. You are ridiculous.
I don't get any of your points tbh.
People who agree with you are not brave. All the posts (including the brave comment) you have made, make me think you are not living in the world most of us do. And I am not just talking on this thread. You seem to see/ read one thing and make up a random conclusion that doesn't make sense.
I have had 2 'cosmetic procedures', I know lots of people who have. I don't know anyone who has had any labia surgery. Its not going on all over and usually (from what I know) not for cosmetic purposes. Like my procedures it was for 'quality of life' reasons. I would imagine you may have a different view if your minors (sp) were hanging out of the rest of your bits. Very uncomfortable I would imagine.
Surprisingly my IQ didn't drop at all during either operation. Fancy that.

Latara · 06/07/2012 20:21

Worra - my Dad did wash the pots when he came round, as i guessed he would... unfortunately he then dried them with the teatowel that i'd used to dry the cat with after she got soaked outside (bum & paws included)... & since he put everything away i can't remember what was washed & what wasn't - oops.

Lovebunny - i will not be cutting off my dyed hair as it's taken ages to grow; plus i won't be smelling 'natural' because my patients & colleagues really will NOT appreciate it.

Babies don't care what their Mums smell or look like - all that matters is that they are loved & not neglected.

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 20:21

(except for the part about women being stupid) well, there may be a case to be made... but collectively, we haven't made as much progress as we might have done.

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