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to think that women are stupid?

534 replies

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 05:57

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

OP posts:
BrainSurgeon · 06/07/2012 13:48

Hey, leave Tokamak alone, he's allright! Perfectly acceptable to have a preference for small boobs

Tokamak · 06/07/2012 13:50

So if you met your perfect women but she was naturally large chested you'd reject her?

Yes, because I wouldn't be interested in her enough as a potential partner to find out if she WAS perfect by, for example, asking her out. It wouldn't affect my opinion about her as a person.

Women on here are not backward about coming forward in what they find attractive/unattractive in men, are they? Nor am I.

MarigoldsInTheWindow · 06/07/2012 13:51

women arent stupid, society is.

I really want to give up my part time job to fit around my children, i HATE it.

but I cant afford too, but i get what you mean.

gordyslovesheep · 06/07/2012 14:00

I don't equate 'sexy' with 'feeling attractive for men' though

High heels make me feel sexy - ME - I couldn;t give a toss if men like them

MsOnatopp · 06/07/2012 14:05

Has is been established that lovebunny was the wife of a man that came on complaining that his wife refuses, without discussion, to go back to work? He had to take on an evening job too and lovebunny got incredibly defensive on that thread.

Anyway can't be bothered to read the whole thread but the first couple of pages were very amusing.

Tokomak, I agree, if a man was all polished with perfect hair and an obvious over interest in his looks (which I find a HUGE turn off) I wouldn't get to know him well enough to find out of he was perfect for me in every other way. I would assume he was a nice guy but wouldn't be into him enough to start a relationship. Don't see how a breast size preference is any different.

KenLeeeee · 06/07/2012 14:11

WTAF? So now it's women's own fault that we have been/are being oppressed? What a pile of steaming woman-hating shoite.

justsofedup · 06/07/2012 14:12

Oh I see.

So women only have the right to be taken seriously with breastfeeding as long as they conform to your ideals then op?

No.

Women should be free to do what they want with their bodies and not be BLAMED for lack of support because its there own choice to put friggin lipstick on.

butterfingerz · 06/07/2012 14:17

Men and women have groomed themselves since the dawn of time, many traditional cultures have elaborate forms of grooming - removing body hair, body painting, tattoos, tribal marks, dying of hair perhaps using vegetable dyes, braiding hair, using natural products to scent or beautify the skin.

I get what you're saying to an extent, the culture of lads mags, anorexic fashion models, TOWIE, cosmetic surgery has gone somewhat OTT. But let's not think grooming is new, it is historically and culturally specific. Maybe that would be an interesting lesson for your students.

And as for the issue of women working, my MIL is african, she's illiterate but worked as a market trader all her life to fund her 6 kids through university. I'm sure if she stayed at home for 4/5 yrs with each of them then that never would have happened, though she would have found a way of BFin them as there was no option of formula. I think, particularly amongst the middle classes in Britain, that childhood has become far too idealised. It's ridiculous to think anyone who does not stay at home as a SAHM for the first 4/5 yrs for each of children is a bad parent, in many households around the world, that is simply a wild luxury.

Tokamak · 06/07/2012 14:21

I didn't mean to offend anyone, so apologies if I have.

It's just if you read the Relationships thread, especially the dating ones, there are posts with lots of...

"Oh, he's the perfect bloke except he's too tall and makes me feel like a dwarf/too short and makes me feel like a giant, has a cock the size of an anaemic peanut and I can't feel anything/has a cock the size of a prize-winning marrow and I can't sit down for a week afterwards"

...sort of thing.

Advice given on these is usually in agreement that you have to find someone physically attractive to have relationship with them.

BrainSurgeon · 06/07/2012 14:23
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LaQueen · 06/07/2012 14:37

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Shullbit · 06/07/2012 14:43

Men do have a lot of pressure on them. Women are always found somewhere to be talking penis sizes, beards, hygiene etc. In fact, I would go as far as to say that I think it is more women who put pressure on other women and men, rather than mainly men.

A few female acquaintances where shocked and horrified when they found out I don't wax my nether regions. Saying how they "Felt sorry for my deprived DP" etc. He is by far deprived, he just doesn't give two hoots how hairy I am as he loves me for me. But it was the women who made me contemplate whether I was in the wrong but then I realised I couldn't give a shit

It is my decision not to go with the norm on that, just like it is my decision to have my hair highlighted, because that I like and it gives me a confidence boost. What's so wrong about that?

HoneyDragonWearingLederhosen · 06/07/2012 14:45

Do you know what else men have on them?
Body hair Grin

GrahamTribe · 06/07/2012 14:50

This is still going? Despite the, um, absence of the hairy fella OP? Wow, you're really reeling them in OP.

ceeveebee · 06/07/2012 15:04

Fwiw pretty sure OP is not a troll and is not a man, she has been posting all over AIBU for the last 6 weeks or so and her other posts look pretty normal. Either she's having a bad day or left her computer logged in for one of her pupils to post!!

osterleymama · 06/07/2012 15:09

Ok Lovebunny. I'll stop doing what society tells me to and do what you tell me to instead.

MoonlightandRoses · 06/07/2012 15:19

Umm, has Gabby Logon been rolled out again as a more 'coherent' chatbot? Grin

Seriously though - given that the feminist movement only really gained momentum in the late 20th century, the radical impact it has already had on Western society is pretty impressive.
Yes, there is still a long way to go for full female / male equality, but it takes a long time to make an innovation in thinking 'innate' on a societal, rather than purely individual, level.

GrahamTribe · 06/07/2012 15:23

ceeveebee I can't say that the OP's posts look normal but I take your point that the poster has been making contributions all over AIBU for the past 6 weeks or so and that the OP is female. Unfortunately that latter makes the OP's opening post even more unpleasant.

monsterchild · 06/07/2012 16:20

Tokamak, I'm not offiended, I don't think I would be attracted to my particular shape, if I were attracted to girls! You go with what you like!

As for the appearances stuff, well, "traditionally" people lived in small groups and the oldest kids raised most of the babies once they could be weaned. But I think to say that olden times were better is just stupid. As much as I'd like to think back in the day things were simpler, they weren't. Socially humans haven't changed all that much, and women and men have always been struggling for top spot. i think there is more equlality than we realize, it just isn't in the form of equal pay or opportunity.

of course, we are all conditioned to think this is what makes us equal, but what if it's all a construct we've been fed?

Ooh, we could get really paranoid and existential on this....

sciencelover · 06/07/2012 17:03

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geminitiger · 06/07/2012 17:13

-Crosses legs at the idea of having labia trimmed-

Thank you OP I have seen the light! The reason that I was unable to BF my DC was because I once applied for a job to work behind and dance on a bar in skimpy outfits. Quite clearly this was as a result of stupidity and brainwashing rather than needing an income. In your post you say about women staying home for 4/5 years, while I'm assuming their OHs go out to work? Very equal. I always thought that women's position in society had come a long way in a relatively short space of time and that we should be grateful for that. Apart from tarring all women with the same brush, the thing that I find really offensive is that you don't even begin to consider why anyone might dare to have different views than you, let alone support them. Me, I'm trying to understand your point of view, I really am but with no success. Must go, got to brush dyed hair, check that all bits are shaven and get my self to work.

Oh and have have my first Biscuit

sciencelover · 06/07/2012 17:21

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Socknickingpixie · 06/07/2012 18:03

having ploughed through the whole thread i still cant figure out if im sposed to wear knickers or not?

Krumbum · 06/07/2012 18:14

Woah there's a difference between a preference and saying I wouldn't got out with anyone that had one certain body part.
I have met people and got to know them, once you get to know someone you can find anyone attractive. I've fancied men who are literally the complete opposite of eachother.
I hate this attitude it's like when people say 'I couldnt fancy a insert race man', they think it's reasonable but it's assuming all these people are exactly the same just because they share some small irrelavant similarities.

cheekybarsteward · 06/07/2012 18:28

Are painted toe nails allowed if I wear them with comfortable shoes?