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to think that women are stupid?

534 replies

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 05:57

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

OP posts:
Whatmeworry · 06/07/2012 13:20

Can I just ask in all seriousness, why does any woman actually wear high heels ?

It makes your bum stick out and men love bums don't y'know :)

Blistory · 06/07/2012 13:21

I think the point about wearing heels making someone feel sexier sums it up for me. Why is it about being attractive to the opposite sex ? Is that how we measure our value as women ? And doesn't that then tie in with all the rest of the beautification that women do using artifical aids ? That then becomes the norm and we don't seem to question it.

thekidsarealright · 06/07/2012 13:21

What an utterly bonkers thread.

nightowlmostly · 06/07/2012 13:22

freudianslipper heels make you vulnerable because you can't run away! Seriously, walking alone at night in heels, you make the click click sound, it is like an advert to any potential attacker.

Don't get me wrong, I like heels as much as anyone else, but I do think twice if I know I'll be out alone late at night in them.

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 13:22

Being attractive to the opposite sex is fairly important Blistory

valiumredhead · 06/07/2012 13:23

I have only read the OP but I pretty much agree tbh.

fallingandlaughing · 06/07/2012 13:26

You don't like women much, do you?

Loving your user name - ironic? Hopefully?

Latara · 06/07/2012 13:28

I can't run in flats, heels or trainers.

But i do remember when i was a child in the 80s that a local girl hit an attacker in the face with her stilettoes hehe Grin

Blistory · 06/07/2012 13:28

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that catgirl but to the point where attraction now requires practices that involve toxic chemical and artifical means ?

Any why do I need to be attractive at work ? Or going to the supermarket or a walk in the park ?

Just how much time and money are we expecting women to put into 'looking attractive' and for what ? Men certainly are expected to go to the same lengths. I'll grant you that there may be a little pressure on some men to conform but I can't remember meeting a single man at work who gave a damn about looking attractive in a business meeting in order to be taken seriously.

Blistory · 06/07/2012 13:29

men certainly aren't

Tokamak · 06/07/2012 13:33

when it is all about fitting into an idea of beauty that obviously stems from male desire

And not all men at that. I find large boobs very unattractive, for example, so I wouldn't look twice at a woman with implants.

Birdsgottafly · 06/07/2012 13:33

I am off to a party tomorrow night.

Part of the enjoyment is deciding how to have my hair, match my toes to my stick on nails and go possibly two skin shades darker.

I couldn't decide on my lashes, it was either long or double thickness, depends on how i am having my hair. This is all for me. I will be collapsing drunk in my own bed at the end of the night.

I spare you the detals of where i'm planning on shaving.

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 13:34

I don't know what you mean about toxic chemicals etc, although it is nothing new so the "where attraction now requires" comment doesn't really work. Look at the Geshia's etc - lead based white paint is not too good for you. People have been modifying themselves by artificial means to attract a mate since time began. This is nothing new.

I don't fake tan or bleach my har. Doesn't make people stupid if they do

AnnieOnAMapleLeaf · 06/07/2012 13:35

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Tortington · 06/07/2012 13:36

i can't be arsed reading the thread - i think the OP is completely see-through and quell fucking surprise Hmm

a couple of things
firstly, if there is any pressure to go back to work it is more likley to be a financial one driven by a capitalist society than the unwillingness of mothers to continue extended breastfeeding

secondly, if i want to plat my pubes, stick a diamond on them or pierce it and dye it a lovely shade of mauve - i shall, you see this is freedom.

there is manipulation by the media on all levels, we cannot escape that a major product of a comsumerist economy is to advertise wears and to push trends to sell product.

What is not freedom is someone else telling me so

Birdsgottafly · 06/07/2012 13:37

"now requires practices that involve toxic chemical and artifical means"

What we do now is a lot less grim that ancient times.

When women were not judged on their sexual behaviour and almost everyone was bi, in the more sensous civilisations, we removed hair and both sexes painted themselves.

pommedechocolat · 06/07/2012 13:39

I think hair dye was made of lead in times gone by?

pommedechocolat · 06/07/2012 13:39

Tokamak - some women have naturally large boobs? So if you met your perfect women but she was naturally large chested you'd reject her?

MissFaversam · 06/07/2012 13:40

Friggin excellent. Now got that "Friday" feeling Grin

Latara · 06/07/2012 13:42

pomme - it's ok. I'm not too offended by Tokamak. Each to their own. Personally i like men to be muscled up & the height of rugby players :)

FreudianSlipper · 06/07/2012 13:44

i do not walk around late at night in heels or flats this is since my friend was attacked and had a botle smashed over her head and now has scars on her face

me wearing heels would not make me more vulnerable or attractive to an attacker or the way i am dressed it is the fact i am a women he can over power that makes me attractive

Flobbadobs · 06/07/2012 13:44

I wear heels because I'm short and I like to look my 12 year old in the eye when I tell him off.... And because I bloody want to!
This thread perfectly illustrates why radical anything pisses me off. All it does is try and replace one type of oppression or beliefs with another.

FreudianSlipper · 06/07/2012 13:45

or rather a potential victim

BreconBeBuggered · 06/07/2012 13:46

Wow. I'm untanned, undyed and unshaven. I spent about 5 years breastfeeding and not worrying about what anyone else thought. I always thought it was because I couldn't be arsed. Now I know it's because I Am Clever. What a pity I have no daughters who can benefit from this huge wisdom.

pommedechocolat · 06/07/2012 13:46

True latara - there just seemed to be an assumption that women with large boobs must have implants.

I like tall lean men with broad shoulders :)

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