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to think that women are stupid?

534 replies

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 05:57

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

OP posts:
Tokamak · 06/07/2012 12:20

I know, just joking.

MrGin · 06/07/2012 12:21

*Mr Gin...have I got this right?

I can shave my head, but not my fanjo?*

You can shave your head yes, free yourself from the oppression and burden of nice hair. Which is I think we can agree a symbol of male oppression and their ( my ) cynical ploys to stop women going out on windy days. < spits >

Not your Fanjo as this clearly means you want to have sex with paedophile, and or are a porn addict. Reclaim your wild lady garden , it's your battlefield in the fight to smash the patriarchy !

Arm pits are optional unless you really are wearing dungarees with no shirt, in which case the longer the better. Better still get them braided or grow them into dreads.

< goes back to stroking white cat in depth of secret volcano HQ of Patriarchy >

cheekybarsteward · 06/07/2012 12:23

But what about the white chocolate starfish....is this allowed?

Shullbit · 06/07/2012 12:24

Well said worra

I barely shave my legs/pluck my eyebrows either, because I choose to decide I can't be bothered, even if I prefer it when I do. I don't just do it because it is the norm.

People can be influenced, but can still have the final say.

BrainSurgeon · 06/07/2012 12:26

Ooooh go on Mr Gin, what other fantasies do you have things do you want us to do?

FreudianSlipper · 06/07/2012 12:27

well done op, you are doing what exactly the media and marketing of certain products from children?s toys/books to cosmetic companies are doing by telling women they are stupid and need to look a certain way to be a real woman

you made some good points but by calling women stupid because they may have been manipulated from a young age you lose all credibility, some are aware of the manipulation some are not and some make the choice because they want to for themselves (like many men do) none of these women are stupid apart from those that label others as being so

i am as much as a feminist as you are even though i wear make up and high heels implying i am not or that i am not a strong woman is as insulting as someone telling me i am stupid because i am a woman

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 06/07/2012 12:32

I'd love to comment on the OP, but don't have time :( Too busy dying myself orange and sprinkling glitter on my front-bottom so I can whore myself out to the baker in order to obtain free bread. Ha, and the OP thinks I'm stupid ....

Actually, if I did turn up at the bakers looking like that I think the poor man would have heart failure ... this is rural Yorkshire, we aren't scheduled to get vajazzles until 2025 at the earliest.

WorraLiberty · 06/07/2012 12:33

The OP's just a huge finger tapping on the fish tank

And we're the little fish swimming round in a frenzy Lol

This thread will be yesterday's chip paper soon enough, then another cough name changer will start next month's one.

They're a bit like P&C parking threads...boring and repetitive but you just can't help getting sucked in sometimes. A bit like a little puppy begging you to throw a tennis ball Wink

Katieswimmer · 06/07/2012 12:34

lovebunny - I love your message. It's too easy to take middle ground over issues like this - the middle ground is occupied by those who perhaps aren't really bothered by such trends and therefore haven't given them much thought, because once you think about it, logically, there is no refutation to what you're saying. I agree that the slide of many women into body modification to achieve pornographic ideals is frightening. However, I don't think this applies to all women, or anything like all women. It's a sliding scale, though, and even baby steps like fake tanning are a reflection of the impact of this ideal on women. It's really hard to get away from. I do hope and have faith that many men are above the blanket stereotyping you describe though, but can't deny that it's a problem.

Latara · 06/07/2012 12:36

Clearly i must be oppressing my cat by making her wear a pink collar... better go & take it off.

I did wonder why the local boy cats follow her everywhere.

I'm obviously very stupid as Op says.

Pink collar = whore cat = boy cat stalkers.

No pretty pink collar = unattractive cat = boy cats will ignore her.

(Not sure her ego could cope with being ignored tho!)

MrGin · 06/07/2012 12:36

I agree Worra, there a few other similar threads popping up atm.

Hence why I and a few others aren't being terribly serious.

Blistory · 06/07/2012 12:36

Can I just ask in all seriousness, why does any woman actually wear high heels ?

I understand that some will answer that it makes them feel good but what is it about wearing them that makes you feel good ?

We all know that they can be uncomfortable, they can leave us vulnerable, the can do serious damage to our posture and our feet, so why do it ?

Is it to make our legs more attractive, to bring us up closer to a man's height etc ? Because it's expected ?

Genuinely curious

cheekybarsteward · 06/07/2012 12:47

I wear high heels so that I can reach the kitchen sink that I am chained to all day Sad

Latara · 06/07/2012 12:47

I have some very comfortable high heels; they look good plus i do get fed up with being one of the shortest people at the bar

But i don't understand why women wear heels that aren't comfortable; i recommend soft leather & hidden platforms; or boots with heels...

WORRA - sorry, i can't pimp my Dad out to do other women's housework - because he is constantly getting manipulated asked to mend things etc by all the local single mums, elderly ladies & even his ex-wife (aka my Mum).
If you resemble Rachel Weisz then he may make an exception of course ;)

BrainSurgeon · 06/07/2012 12:47

Nah... you can't Blistory. If you're really really curious, go to Beauty and Style and get some informed answers :)

FreudianSlipper · 06/07/2012 12:53

i wear high heels because i like to feel taller and i like the way they look on me and i like how i walk in them i feel sexy in them. i can dance walk for miles and still have good posture (years of ballet makes you use your core muscles and stand upright) so i do not have a problem with my posture and or my feet

i very much like the 50's look, when i am going out for the evening i like clothes that show off my ample curves imo they look good on me

and how exactly do they make me vulnerable?

hairylemon · 06/07/2012 12:55

I wear high heels because I like to cause DP pain when I walk all over him

MrGin · 06/07/2012 12:56

I like heels as....... oh hang on... TMI

hairylemon · 06/07/2012 12:58

Grin Gin

pommedechocolat · 06/07/2012 13:07

Freudian - If chased/attacked whilst wearing them I guess harder to run away?

DioneTheDiabolist · 06/07/2012 13:13

Is this class snobbery dressed up as feminism?

FreudianSlipper · 06/07/2012 13:13

i do not tend to think about what clothes may make it easier to get away should someone choose to attack me but if it were to happen while wearing heels i would kick them off or a stamp on the foot with a heel is very very very painful (or i would hope to do this fear may make me freeze)

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 13:17

free yourself from the oppression and burden of nice hair.

It is a burden. terrible

On a serious note I used to wear high heels all the time at work. This is because I have a vair senior role in a male dominated industry and am the only woman at my level in the company. The heels made me feel more confident as I felt taller and more kick assy.

Since having DS I shuffle round in flats as my centre of graivty seems to have shifted. I do not know if it will return or if I still care.

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 13:18

Dione Yes - Yes it is

Totally thought that when I read the OP. It is class snobbery I think

nightowlmostly · 06/07/2012 13:19

blistory The fashion for heels is because they make you hold yourself differently, your pelvis tilts slightly to make your bum and hips curvier. I think it may have the effect of making you hold your top half up straighter, producing a bigger chest as well! And your legs look better too. Of course this is all about being attractive to the opposite sex, but even if that's the case, evolution has conditioned us more that the patriarchy has, and we want to look attractive to men to get a mate.

I do see what the OP is saying, I have pondered this question myself in the past. The fact that somehow in this supposedly post-feminist society, we have been tricked into thinking that fake boobs (and pole dancing, for gods sake), amongst other things, are empowering, when it is all about fitting into an idea of beauty that obviously stems from male desire, not women's.

I have to say YABU though, simply for the offensive tone used, and the fact that you could have made this quite valid point better had you not made a lot of ridiculous statements as well. I will go back full time as I earn more, and my DH will stay at home. How am I oppressed, exactly?

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