or doomed to fatness forever?

[Silbury]

I am fat. I have been for years. I rarely eat crisps or chocolate. I have a takeaway about twice a year. I have wine 3 times a week.
My work hours are crap so i go for hours not eating, then get starving. Work is constantly on the move and not sitting at a desk.

I am still fat.

I go to the gym 2-3 times a week and do a 2 hour dance class once a week.

I am still fat.

The last 3 weeks theres been a bootcamp at the gym do i have been 5 times a week.

I am still fat.

More than that. I am actually a kilo heavier than i was last week.

AIBU to be unutterably pissed off. And fat.

Hormpnes and thermostat.generally knackered but always have been.

A piece of bread has an average of 100 calories in it and then the butter on top . I put weight on really quickly when I went through a 2 slices of toast and butter for supper phase. Really quickly.

How old are you? Or have you said?

I feel 104. In earth years i'm 37.

You're not losing weight because of your high carb intake and lack of veg. Try eating a third of your normal carb intake for a start and filling up on veg. I started eating less carbs recently and I've slowly dropped weight. I just stopped eating bread, cake, treats, sugar and pasta but still ate tiny portions of potatoes/rice. I still ate lots of veg though. Try having one egg with asparagus for lunch OR a large salad and humus with seeds OR rice cakes with salmon and veg sticks OR rice cakes with banana OR fish fingers and salad. Also drink lots of water to help flush everything though.

Oooohhhh peri menopausal?

Do you have any physical symptons? Let Dr coco diagnose you.

Are you fat all over or do you carry a lot of belly fat?

Another vote for Master your metabolism, it changed the way I think about food.

85% of weight loss/gain comes from what you eat, 15% from physical activity. So changing the way you eat has more effect than lots of exercise.

(White) bread, (white) rice, jacket potatoes etc are high GI, so their energy is absorbed quickly by the body; and if you don't eat until you're starving, then your body panics and thinks it needs to store that energy in case it doesn't get fed again for a long time. So then, your energy levels dip and you get hungry again quickly... Slow-release foods (basically, the less processed the better) are more effective at maintaining blood sugar levels so that when mealtimes come round you are less hungry and so make better choices.

The only way I found to make Slimming World or Weightwatchers work was planning. Plan what you are going to eat, buy in the stuff, and pre-prepare it e.g. make tomorrow's lunch tonight so you don't have an excuse tomorrow to say, I can't be bothered so I'll have something unhealthy/fattening/not nutritious.

If you haven't time for 3 proper meals a day then have 5-6 smaller snacks you can carry around & eat on the go e.g. oatcakes + a slice of pre-sliced cheese + an apple, or a tub of yoghurt & some almonds/walnuts, or a handful of cherry tomatoes & a mini-tub of hummus, etc.

Two things that fill you up - water and fibre. Eating high-fibre food makes it harder to overeat...

Bread / toast is such an easy meal, and I lurve it, but unless I cut it out of my diet I won't lose weight...

I would say definitely thyroid

I've lost 9lbs in the last 9 days on a low carb diet, eating cheese, cream, eggs, mayonnaise, butter, vegetables, meat and fish. I've had no cravings for carbs (usually I'm in and out of the kitchen multiple times a day for a mouthful of something sweet as a pickmeup, or yet another cup of tea) but I've felt better, more level in my mood and energy and been sleeping much better.

Here's a post I wrote on another thread:

There are a series of bootcamp threads running; here's one with lots of info on low-carbing. Dr John Briffa is a big advocate of low carbing. He's here. Also this guy. I'm still reading up about the science behind the whole 'saturated fat is good' stuff, but I've long been a devotee of the Low GI diet (when I've got the willpower) - completely sensible and sustainable eating, imo. I've been doing it since last Monday and haven't been hungry at all - in fact, I've been eating copious amounts of cheese, butter, olive oil, cheese, mayonnaise, eggs, meat, cheese, fish, veg and... oh quite a bit of cheese. I can't quite believe that I can eat like this and lose weight, but it's coming off so I'm just enjoying it. Yesterday I roasted a chicken and ate all the crispy, butter and herb slathered skin off the moment I took it out of the oven. Roast chicken with roasted mashed celeriac, broccoli roasted in olive oil, red wine gravy made with the drippings. I'm actually drooling now remembering it.

There's load of stuff out there about the science of it and why you need to turn off the insulin response if you want to lose weight! You can't cheat either, because a mouthful of starch and sugar will start the cycle again. Once you've been on the induction phase of the diet for a couple of weeks, you can reintroduce complex carbs; whole grains, pulses, fruit.

You can do it, but you have to want to, and stick to it.

"I can't do WW or SW" Yes, you can. You don't need to give up work, you need help taking control of your diet. I used to make exactly the same excuses as you, and that's how I know that's all they are, excuses for being fat. Of course go to your GP and get your thyroid checked, you'd be daft not to, but if the tests come back normal (mine did, twice, I got them to check again as I was so convinced I wasn't fat through sitting on my fat arse eating!) stop making excuses and feeling sorry for yourself and start losing weight!

You sound very defeatist OP. Honestly? I don't think you're mentally ready to make the neccesary changes.

I feel your pain on the breakfast issue. I honestly hate hate hate eating breakfast and it makes me feel rotten.

Why not try small things that you can live with and see if they make a difference?

1. How about a smoothie for breakfast, followed by coffee? It takes NO time, it's two of your five a day, and it gives you something to keep you going.

1. Drink water. Water ups your metabolic rate. Force yourself to drink 5 glasses a day.

1. You're eating a bit too late in the day. Eat lunch at 12 and dinner no later than 8.

1. If you're only eating two meals a day, make one of them carb free. You said you like things like chicken and salad - they're both great.

1. Reduce your normal portions.

Good luck

Sorry but no way is that all you are eating and you are gaining weight.

Unless you are taking in loads of calories in drinks?

I know how hard it is but until you are ready te be honest with yourself about your actual calorie intake, you're not going to get far.

I hope tht doesn't sound unsympathetic - but you are taking calories somewhere you aren't realising or acknowledging.

To be clear - a kilo a week is 7000 extra calories.

Thats 1000 calories over what you need to maintain, which at your weight is probably 2200, 2300 Ish roughly (don't quote me on that but it can't be miles and miles out)

So you are taking in 2200 plus calories a day from somewhere to gain weight at the rate of a kilo a week.

Plus the exercise means actually probably a goof few hundred calories more.

Aargh 3200 calories a day you are taking in plus the exercise calories! (sorry)

Curves is crap , sorry

I do loads of sport (run and ride horses every day plus swimming and gym once a week) and I still have to diet to lose excess weight gain. I find dieting during the week strictly and having weekends off works well. You are probably simply taking in more calories than you expend, or not doing enough to kick start weight loss. I also notice all your exercise activites are indoors and possibly inconsistent in terms of anaerobic effort. Long, low intensity or short intervals work best for kickstarting metabolism, 50 minutes or less low intensity doesn't I find. If you think what you are doing is high intensity, go out and sprint 100m 5 times with a 30s recovery and find out what high intensity really is!

Perhaps get your thyroid checked out?

You might not feel it's 'healthy' to do all the counting that SW/WW requires, but it actually is. Yes, you'll get obsessed with it for a while, but it's what you need to do to keep track of what you're eating. What someone above said about food intake being 85% of weight loss is true- you're not going to lose weight by exercise alone. And you need to hold yourself accountable for what you're putting in your mouth. The fact that you listed 3x slices of toast without noting that you put butter on them (for 3x slices of toast, you probably easily had a quarter of your fat for the day in butter on them, and that's just for weight maintenance, not loss) shows that you aren't doing that.

You don't have to do those plans specifically, but you need to weight/measure your foods and keep a food diary. Sparkpeople.com or Myfitnesspal both have good systems for this.

And you need to eat breakfast.

Curves is great, btw. I don't do it, but my dad's partner does and she's had great success with it.

Good luck,
I think mounds of veggies are very good for keeping weight healthy.
I also think "StillFat" would be a great Talkname. At least until you feel it no longer applies.

Eat a low carb, no sugar, high protein and high fat diet. You will be much healthier. Don't talk about yourself in such a degrading way.

I'm your height and was a similar weight about 18 months ago.

Things I know now: don't diet. I just obsess.
Eat what you want when you want if, but take a bit of time to retrain your body into wanting at regular intervals.

My typical day is:

Massive breakfast (e.g 3 egg cheese omelette)
Very light lunch. Some olives, fruit or something. My breakfast works for hours!
Some kind of snack in the afternoon, seeds or nuts or more olives on a healthy day, more like Doritos and salsa on all the other days (not loads though)
Some sort of protein (chicken or fish) with a massive salad for dinner.

Then in the evening I have some sugar and carbs. 100ml of ice cream or a bit of chocolate. And I drink whiskey, low calorie

I walk st least 30 mins a day, at speed, often carrying a 16kg toddler on my back.

I've got 5.5 stone off with that method of eating.

I just got back form WW and have lost 2 more pounds so feel qualified to comment . Weigh your food and work out how much your portions are messing with you. I think portion size is magical. Train your body to want less carbs and fat. You will never make up for a shit diet with exercise. Drink some water and eat some veg.