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To have icecream in the freezer? DP says I am addicting dc to sugar

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accessorizequeen · 24/06/2012 09:35

This is an ongoing saga in our relationship but basically dp has no self control at all so if something's in the house he'll eat it every day. If there's cream for a recipe and I don't use it for a couple of days, it'll be half gone. He's repeatedly asked me over the years to not have anything like that in the house (butter, cream, icecream, choc, crisps, baking anything is tutted at). When it was just us, I think I complied a bit more or we argued about it or I hid stuff I can't really remember.
But we have 4 dc (8, 5, 3yo dts) and most of the time there is stuff around although imo they don't eat much crap and I think (I could be wrong) that they have a fairly good diet with plenty of fruit, veg, wholegrains, protein and I'm happy to provide some snacks/treats. I stopped buying biscuits at dp's request some months ago, as he was eating most of them and he said he'd prefer the kids had better snacks. Now he's asked if he can throw out the (virtually full) 2.5L tub of icecream I had bought to keep for emergency puddings. Because he will eat it all otherwise, and I am not helping him and I don't care about him and I am getting the dc addicted to sugar as he is.
I don't know where to go with this, I'm really angry at him for telling me basically that I don't care about my dc's diet when I do all the grocery shopping and the vast majority of cooking too. I've found it difficult for years that he whinges about me having cream in the fridge to make custard etc, that I can't have a spare pack of biscuits when visitors come but most of all that I feel as though it's up to me to make up for his complete lack of self control. I have a problem with sugar too, I have been on weight watchers for a month and what's letting me down some of the time is wanting choc every day but I'm trying (and succeeding largely) to have a small amount and plan for it. Last night I had a bowl of the delicious iceceam as I'd planned for it. Then this morning he starts on about throwing it out.
We are having problems in our relationship and I'm struggling to feel much for him right now (getting over extended period of depression & anxiety). I'm not trying to hurt him but he sees it that way - I don't care enough to get this stuff out of the house. But he's a 40 year old man, why the hell should I remove everything that I and the kids like a bit of during the week because he can't control himself? He's so bloody weak and will admit he is but I'm fed up with the guilt every time I want to do some baking with the kids! If he had his way, I wouldn't have any pudding at all in the house, how the hell do I do that with 4 dc? Why can't they have pudding some nights? Last night it was jelly, sometimes it's banana and custard, or icecream and sprinkles and I made cake last week which I suspect he's thrown the rest out.
Opinions?

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Kewcumber · 24/06/2012 21:35

would have taken more than a tupperware box and a promise to keep me out when at my worst...

bonzo77 · 24/06/2012 22:20

I was also one of those characters who cannot have "junk" in the house as I couldn't be "trusted". Something has changed. I'm not sure why, but these foods rarely trigger a binge, and nowhere near to the same extent. We have more junk in the house and my weight is barely an issue.

As kids my parents were OTT about junk. It was massively restricted. If the GPs brought us some, the rule was what ever we couldn't eat by bed time would get thrown away. I suppose to stop us nibbling and rotting our teeth. And maybe so my mother couldn't eat it all (see a theme here?). Oh, how that backfired! My (much much) younger brother was allowed free access to treats. He is the only one of us who reached adulthood with no weight or food issues.

Roll on to my DS, aged 2. I don't keep much junk in the house, and don't offer it to him. But if he asks he gets, if someone else offers and he wants, he gets. And I am proud to say that he will leave half a biscuit, most of a box of raisins and not touch a fizzy drink, because they have no novelty factor, and I'm not taking them away from him. My DH has what I call a "normal" attitude to "treats". Doesn't need any self control because he has no urge to go crazy with them. He always had free rein with treats when small. I really hope DS is the same.

PeaTarty · 24/06/2012 22:32

This thread has really made me think. I'm in charge of food in my house, and there's no way I'd make my husband responsible. I want to take control of my emotional/addictive/whatever it is overeating and I've found Kew's suggestions helpful - thankyou. Sort of want to ask you more but don't want to derail the thread!

ivykaty44 · 24/06/2012 22:45

what would you do when your dc ask you where there food is? wouldn't you be Blush if you had eaten there food?

Kewcumber · 24/06/2012 22:49

yes. I'd still eat it though. It's an addiction - embarrassment is swamped by need. I would call it greed but I think greed would be more easily embarassed into submission.

PeaTarty · 24/06/2012 22:53

I've eaten my daughters treats sometimes.. Blush It's a horrible compulsion that I'm even conscious it's wrong as I'm doing it. She's only 3 so never actually been an issue yet.

ivykaty44 · 24/06/2012 22:58

how would you explian this to a child afterward-they will find out that some of their food is missing? Why not go to the hop and buy your own food with your own money?

Kewcumber · 24/06/2012 23:02

Umm - it is my food bought with my money - I don;t send my 6 yr old out to work and he doesn;t go to bed hungry because I ate his twix Hmm As a single parent, I'm not actually allowed to nip out to the all night garage to buy anything. Though i do think SS might forgive it as an emergency.

PorkyandBess · 24/06/2012 23:04

We always have ice cream in the freezer, but the kids only have it when they have friends for dinner. My dh will make them an ice cream sundae or similar.

We don't do puddings otherwise, it doesn't occur to us.

ivykaty44 · 24/06/2012 23:07

its not your food if you have already given it away to your dc - it then becomes their food. But no the dc will not go to bed hungry if you eat their chocolate bar - but you will get to much sugar from eating to much chocolate and i thought that was the problem?

Kewcumber · 24/06/2012 23:13

"but you will get to much sugar from eating to much chocolate and i thought that was the problem?" yes that is the problem.

Recognising the problem doesn't mean I find it easy to control. I don't buy chocolate (except dark) to leave in the house for exactly that reason, I was responding to someones suggestion to splitting up the "treats" into tupperware boxes - anyone who thinks that will work on a compulsive eater doesn;t understand compulsive eating (the clue being in the "comulisve" bit!). Tupperware boxes doesn't cut it for me - not having it in the house does.

ivykaty44 · 25/06/2012 09:02

you label food as treats - food isn't a treat whether it is chocolate or a steak of meat - it is food to be enjoyed whilst you eat, so do you only compulsively eat foods you consider treat food?

and no I don't understand eating other peoples food - sorry

noblegiraffe · 25/06/2012 09:38

What on earth does he do with butter that means you can't have it in the house? He doesn't have at it with a spoon does he? Confused

Rockpool · 25/06/2012 10:04

I'm like Kew(and I've never had a weight problem),think loads of people are.I have many friends who can't have crap in the house.

I've eaten the kids Easter choc,Halloween stuf etc,etc.BlushI don't stoop to crappy Killerton choc but have for plenty of other stuff.The kids have never noticed as they have waaaaay too much at these times and don't eat it regularly enough to care.They forget about it so I kind of help them out.BlushWhich is why I don't buy crap as I know I'd eat it.

Chandon · 25/06/2012 10:30

really interesting article here:

boingboing.net/2012/03/09/seduced-by-food-obesity-and-t.html

quote: "In susceptible people (about 3 percent of the US population), highly palatable/rewarding foods are quite literally addictive, leading to binge eating behavior. For the rest of us, these foods may not literally be addictive, but they do often drive us to eat them more than we think we should, despite negative consequences to our weight and health."

maybe your DH is one of the 3% who is genuinely addicted?

Chandon · 25/06/2012 10:32

also:

"Dietary changes over the last several decades have contributed to the obesity epidemic. The solution to this problem is at once simple and challenging. Returning to a diet of simple home-cooked food, made from minimally refined ingredients, would probably stop the obesity epidemic in its tracks, although it would not be enough to return all currently obese people to a lean state. The challenge is finding the time and discipline to do this while commercial junk foods and sweetened beverages are tasty, cheap and constantly under our noses."

cory · 25/06/2012 11:48

I think there are two separate issues here:

a) he has an addiction that he needs help to overcome- note keeping the temptation in the house would help him Your dh is NBU

b) he claims that anyone who lives in a house with sugar will develop a similar addiction- this is almost certainly not the case, most people frankly don't, and there would be a great advantage to your children if they could learn to self-regulate rather than need to have food locked away Your dh is BU

So it's all about how you weight those two against each other. I would probably go with the idea that the person with the addition is the most vulnerable so needs prior consideration- but at the same time make it very clear that he is not to project his issues onto the children.

Kewcumber · 25/06/2012 11:50

"and no I don't understand eating other peoples food - sorry"

No I can see you don't understand it. Unfortunately that doesn't make the problem go away though and people like me who do it need to develop coping strategies. And there isn't anything wrong with having chocolate and biscuits and sweets and crisps out of the house rather than in the house. And as I'm 40kilos lighter than I used to be, I'm sure you won't mind if I stick to my coping strategies such as they are.

And yes of course some food is a "treat" - there is no nutritional basis for eating chocolate or crisps for example, plenty of nutritional reasons for eating steak or chicken or vegetables which of course should ideally also be enjoyed.

Kewcumber · 25/06/2012 11:50

and what Cory said...

Rockpool · 25/06/2012 11:57

Who are these people that can knowingly ignore crap sitting in a cupboard?Sorry going by my friends they are few and far between.

If you have a weight problem keeping stuff like that out of the house is the responsible thing to do for both yourself and your children(who will get to enjoy having their parents around for much longer).

Not consistently eating crap also sets a good example surely.

MackerelOfFact · 25/06/2012 12:27

YANBU. I think I'd just decant the ice cream into a margarine tub or something so he doesn't know it's there, or slip the entire tub inside a bag of frozen sweetcorn though. If he eats it whenever you buy it, there's not much point in buying it, so if you want to have it in the house (and you are absolutely entitled to) it will need to be under his radar.

ivykaty44 · 25/06/2012 12:59

so kewcumber - I don't think food should be labelled as treat food as food should be food and you eat for enjoyment of the taste and the nutrients. I see issue with labeling any food as a treat

if you want to label food treat food and none treat food then go ahead if that works for you

Rockpool · 25/06/2012 13:14

Ivy kids need training as to which foods they should limit.Call it a treat or limited food,it's the same and most kids know by 8 as they do it in school.

accessorizequeen · 25/06/2012 13:20

Katy, kew has a problem which many people share ( inc me and dp?) she has a good strategy to deal with it. Calling some foods treats is reasonable because they should be occasional not all the time, that is the definition. Why attack her?
Don't know if dp has an addiction, but i did pass on the idea! I'm trying to help but if he doesn't want to go further nothing I can do. which I feel better about thanks to this thread. (like the idea of hiding the ice cream, I may as well now)
I know lots of people who can have junk in their cupboards Rockpool, some people can manage it which is great. I aspire to that as it shows a healthy relationship with food IMO although we have stablished my judgement could be skewed!

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Rockpool · 25/06/2012 13:25

All respect to those who can,sadly I'm not one of them.Smile

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