to move my child to another school because of PJ wearing parents and other things.....

[fiftieslover]

Hi there, your views would be appreciated.

My ds is currently in yr 3 (8 yrs old) he is in a mixed class of years 3 and 4. Since Christmas I have had really serious doubts about the school he is in.

He has asked to move schools a couple of times in the past 6 months and I am seriously considering it. BUT I know at 8 this is a massive change for him. He is a social little boy who makes friends easily and can articulate his thoughts really well. The issues I have with the school are as follows.

1. Parents dropping their children off still wearing their PJs. I not talking lounge wear here, I'm talking fullish sheep adorned pink things. I turn up at school dressed for work, smart and ready for the day.

1. Leading on from 1 is the reason for the PJ wearing. There is a very high number of unemployed parents in the school. I live in a nice part of not a very nice area IYKWIM. Unemployment has always been a problem. I have lived in this area for over 30 years and alot of the children in ds class are 4th and 5th generation unemployed. So I assume the pj wearing is because they have nothing to get ready for? I need to add that sometimes the children are picked up from school at 3pm with said parents still adorning the sheep attire.

I have never been unemployed so struggle to empathise really with the other parents. I work in recruitment and know there are always things you can do to improve your chances but I have never been there so know I dont fully understand the effect unemployment has on you.

1. There are ALOT of kids in the class that are morphing into absolute horrors. The behaviour is getting worse as each school year passes. Once lovely little 4 year olds are now 8 year old swearing, disrespectful kids. My ds went over to one of them the other day to show him his homework. The other kid looked at my ds as if he were stupid and said I dont do homework - I wouldnt dare!.

1. I'm aware this is getting long so going to cut it short. The teachers appear to spend alot of time on discipline - taking actual teaching time away from the good kids.

1. In the past out of 26 kids, there are approximately 8 that behave really well. If the other 18 are playing up, the whole class has been punished. This really annoyed me.

I could go on and I think I have answered my own question seeing it in black and white but would still appreciate your comments.

Thanks fifties x

Pool, like I said, my DPs mum is still on the council estate he was brought up on.

My sister lives on a council estate in Scotland.

I've never lived on one. No.

what have my tax returns and my personal finances got to do with anything ?

Poo, I've read some of your posts. By god is that really what middle class is? Yikes!

I don't understand.

What I mean is, some of your post on other threads scream common to me, is all.

damsel how dare you mix with that trash [grin[

Truth is, most people are common but like to believe they are not, that they are better than everyone else, when in fact we're not.

I think a lot of posters are in denial about that. The influence on the children when the go to school with kids who are into that stuff is huge

No I'm not in denial- I grew up in SE London and went to school with all sorts, thankfully I had decent parents who influenced me in the right way so I was fine- as would anyones children as long as they parent them properly.

Several people on this thread have said that only people who've not experienced it are defending it and several people have disproved that.

So bang goes that theory.

Oh see what you are trying to do there Recall....the old switcheroo.

You are not really very good at this are you?

Poopoo there is a fair bit of reverse romanticism going on here too.

All this talk of slaughtered rabbits and youths lying about in alleyways.
All I can see out of my window is a quiet green and neat little house. The kids will be out later playing football and if thy get noisy someone will tell them to keep it down.
No one will get shanked.

Shit happens everywhere. If the trustafairans and students didn't keep buying their coke off Skanky John he would go out of business.

When I lived on the Pullens estate in the 80s it was mostly inhabited by the children of the upper classes, slumming it and spending their allowance on smack.

They had to be chucked out to house real council tenants.

My he man has arrived to cook me a roast. I'll check back here later.

Have fun ladies.

amberleaf I dont agree that as long as you have decent parents who influence you in the right way you are fine. Not in all environments. Parents can not protect their children from influences at school and in the neighbourhood.

switcheroo ? how old are you ? 5 ?

Common is as common does

tootle pips damsel

define common

quick - google it

Parents can not protect their children from influences at school and in the neighbourhood

No they can't, but they can equip them with the sense and confidence to make good choices for themselves.

As mine did.

Bless, you've used that one already.
Noel Coward's crown is safe for now

And Oscar Wilde"s it seems

amberleaf you were lucky, not everyone has parents like yours.

If your parents are oblivious, you're pretty fucked.

WhosPickleisThatOnion Poo poo, in my area it's the more affluent areas that have more drugs in the schools.

Perhaps. But drugs aren't the only concern. My family still lives on the estate i grew up on. Their neighbours regularly rob their house. The children next door are being taught how to do it, that its normal and acceptable. My family gets burgled regularly by these people as do other neighbours.

They have stolen goods come to their house on a regular basis. They actually have a gang of local children working for them, stealing certain things and bringing them to the house which then get moved on. The children are being taught how to do this. They are drug dealers, again the kids are being taught how. The are rough, aggressive, violent. All things the kids are learning.

A school, no matter how good will ever be able to undo that. Those poor children haven't got a chance at living a law abiding life. In fact the oldest two already have records. The younger ones are still at primary and there is a toddler as well.

I would love to be able to say that they are just one dodgey family amongst lots of lovely people but unfortunately there are loads of families like that on the estate. There are still lovely people who have been there for years and are stuck just like my family and i feel very sorry for them.

There are also lovely people whose children have become like their friends and become rough or violent criminals despite their family's not being like that at all. They mixed with their friends from these families and it became their way of life. It happened to my families other neighbour. She's an old lady now and her husband died. She no longer sees her son because of what he has become. Our children peers have a massive, massive influence, pretend it doesn't and look what can happen.

recall If your area was as bad as you say I doubt anyone could be oblivious.

well it just goes to show sSPsfan you don't know it all

DamselInTornDressSun 24-Jun-12 11:37:43 What I mean is, some of your post on other threads scream common to me, is all.

Excuse me!? Wow what a nasty little comment! I suppose you could say i am common seeing as I grew up on a council estate, not something i am at all ashamed of, but i personally wouldn't use that as a way to belittle someone to apparently win an argument!

You've shown your character there haven't you. Lovely.