to move my child to another school because of PJ wearing parents and other things.....

[fiftieslover]

Hi there, your views would be appreciated.

My ds is currently in yr 3 (8 yrs old) he is in a mixed class of years 3 and 4. Since Christmas I have had really serious doubts about the school he is in.

He has asked to move schools a couple of times in the past 6 months and I am seriously considering it. BUT I know at 8 this is a massive change for him. He is a social little boy who makes friends easily and can articulate his thoughts really well. The issues I have with the school are as follows.

1. Parents dropping their children off still wearing their PJs. I not talking lounge wear here, I'm talking fullish sheep adorned pink things. I turn up at school dressed for work, smart and ready for the day.

1. Leading on from 1 is the reason for the PJ wearing. There is a very high number of unemployed parents in the school. I live in a nice part of not a very nice area IYKWIM. Unemployment has always been a problem. I have lived in this area for over 30 years and alot of the children in ds class are 4th and 5th generation unemployed. So I assume the pj wearing is because they have nothing to get ready for? I need to add that sometimes the children are picked up from school at 3pm with said parents still adorning the sheep attire.

I have never been unemployed so struggle to empathise really with the other parents. I work in recruitment and know there are always things you can do to improve your chances but I have never been there so know I dont fully understand the effect unemployment has on you.

1. There are ALOT of kids in the class that are morphing into absolute horrors. The behaviour is getting worse as each school year passes. Once lovely little 4 year olds are now 8 year old swearing, disrespectful kids. My ds went over to one of them the other day to show him his homework. The other kid looked at my ds as if he were stupid and said I dont do homework - I wouldnt dare!.

1. I'm aware this is getting long so going to cut it short. The teachers appear to spend alot of time on discipline - taking actual teaching time away from the good kids.

1. In the past out of 26 kids, there are approximately 8 that behave really well. If the other 18 are playing up, the whole class has been punished. This really annoyed me.

I could go on and I think I have answered my own question seeing it in black and white but would still appreciate your comments.

Thanks fifties x

Completely agree with sparklyeyes. Even if everyone on MN is as non-judgemental as they claim to be then most of society is just not like that. Of course it matters what you wear and how are children supposed to learn what is acceptable if not by looking at their elders?

Are the children going to school in their PJs?

Hi all,

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Yup..but when you come into my emergency department I will give the best care possible, even if I find you to be a wretched snobby bore..

Glad to hear it.

The point that was being made was that it is symptomatic of a lazy attitude when coupled with bad language, general lack of respect and numerous other traits.

Oh and btw, 4 children is no excuse...

Mn is a bloody joke, just lately ,don't like a different opinion just hit report and get it deleted.

FFS

Darling, if I were lazy, I would not be doubled degreed, speak three languages, have four children, or care for your sweet arse when you fall off your Manolo's..

PleasantlySurprised Of course, the reason it's so hard to get kids from "those families" to take school seriously, is because people take such a dim view of their family's situation that they've almost written the kids off before they've reached secondary school.

Yes that's it. Nothing to do with the families attitude to working and education and the influence that has on the children within their family

I am currently supply teaching in a school similar to the one described.

There is no way on earth I would ever send my children there. The behaviour is awful, the children who do actually want to learn just don't have a chance as the others disrupt the lessons so much. I honestly believe that some of the children would do so much better in other schools- I sometimes want to "rescue" them, and send them elsewhere.

I don't have the answers to solve the problems of schools like these- the longterm lack of aspiration is a huge problem, and it just ends up in a continual cyle of unemployment/having babies etc..

I would move him. Really I would.

I love the way the snobs can make derogatory comments about PJ wearing mums, but don't let the PJ wearing mums make nasty assumptions about them because they'll report your post.

Get real, your cotton wool world is fake fake fake!

I actually think PleasantlySurprised has a point by far the worst kids I come across are the pretentious offspring of pretentious people who view their childs snobbery,bigotry,obnoxious behaviour as being articulate/individual.

Indeed. I was hoping to give the op another view of parents. Whatevs..I am far too lazy to think more about this subject..

And btw, for those responding to the OP, she left the thread. She even posted saying as much. Did any of you bother reading that?

*You are an idiot ,Sparks1

There you go report that.*

Um, if you're suggesting i've reported anything you're very much wrong. I haven't seen anything remotely rude tbh. And even if i did, i wouldn't be arsed to report it!

WR to the idea that OP is being snobby, I think it's very much to do with where she is living. I was brought up on a council estate in a north west town and have lived in Manchester too. Very often, there's many many people with an ultra strong work ethic, you leave school at 16 and you go straight into work, thats the done thing. For those people, unemployment is not an option, there is no such thing as SAHM to those people. These people could live next door to to families that have never worked. The OP's 'nice part of town' could be a few nice streets next to a big council estate. That's how it is in many northern towns, the working and the work shy live very close to each other.

Where I lived in Manchester, we lived on an ok street, most people seemed to work. Round the corner was HA housing dotted amongst big, grand Victorian houses with 4x4s outside. The local primary was rough, little 4 yr olds coming out effing and jeffing. 2/3 miles down the road there was quite a well off village with a well known private school. It's so diverse.

Now we live in a sleepy Essex town which is 75% MC, even the other 25% are MC compared to what I'm used to. I'm the most common person I know. I know sooo many mums that don't work and that's as a SAHM lifestyle choice. There'd be absolutely no judgement down here to be a non-working mum. Whereas sometimes in the north, you get that working class snobbery where if you don't work it's assumed you must be slumming it on benefits... which of course some are, such is life!

I think their have been some really horrible posts & replies on MN recently. I also think you can't have an Opinion, if its against the majority.

Ok then.

Of FFS. the OPS child is NOT going to be the only one who has a parent who works or cares or wears clothes on the school run.

Not in a million years.
AND
My children have gone to and will go to schools with lots of parents the OP doesnt like the look of.

I prefer to take people as they are, not what they look like.
Some of the nicest people I know dress like katie price.

Some of the meanest like gwyneth paltrow.

I bloody hate PJs outside the house but this thread is making me begin to change my mind...

That was to Sparks

That one was deleted quick enough.

Whats the point of debating if someones hitting the report button all the time.

I went to private school and everything

I live on a council estate. You should see all the toddlers on the park drinking Frosty Jacks on the park! I'm sure a toddler in my street got a asbo for terrorising people. You walk past him and he says ' gives money now 'itch, I tell mum an' she will uck u up'

OP did I read earlier on that you live in Bedford? In that case I totally agree you should move schools. I actually can almost guess whee you live and what school you are therefore talking about.
I left a horrible near-Bedford village for the very same reasons and moved north about 45 mins. My children were in a crap school. I feared for their future. So we moved. We are in a much nicer place now, kids are thriving. So what, I am a stuck up bitch? Whatevs. The most important thing is my children's future and I have improved it.

She doesn't live in Bedford

Wish my council estate was more like the one in Shameless, so boring and everyones nice