to move my child to another school because of PJ wearing parents and other things.....

[fiftieslover]

Hi there, your views would be appreciated.

My ds is currently in yr 3 (8 yrs old) he is in a mixed class of years 3 and 4. Since Christmas I have had really serious doubts about the school he is in.

He has asked to move schools a couple of times in the past 6 months and I am seriously considering it. BUT I know at 8 this is a massive change for him. He is a social little boy who makes friends easily and can articulate his thoughts really well. The issues I have with the school are as follows.

1. Parents dropping their children off still wearing their PJs. I not talking lounge wear here, I'm talking fullish sheep adorned pink things. I turn up at school dressed for work, smart and ready for the day.

1. Leading on from 1 is the reason for the PJ wearing. There is a very high number of unemployed parents in the school. I live in a nice part of not a very nice area IYKWIM. Unemployment has always been a problem. I have lived in this area for over 30 years and alot of the children in ds class are 4th and 5th generation unemployed. So I assume the pj wearing is because they have nothing to get ready for? I need to add that sometimes the children are picked up from school at 3pm with said parents still adorning the sheep attire.

I have never been unemployed so struggle to empathise really with the other parents. I work in recruitment and know there are always things you can do to improve your chances but I have never been there so know I dont fully understand the effect unemployment has on you.

1. There are ALOT of kids in the class that are morphing into absolute horrors. The behaviour is getting worse as each school year passes. Once lovely little 4 year olds are now 8 year old swearing, disrespectful kids. My ds went over to one of them the other day to show him his homework. The other kid looked at my ds as if he were stupid and said I dont do homework - I wouldnt dare!.

1. I'm aware this is getting long so going to cut it short. The teachers appear to spend alot of time on discipline - taking actual teaching time away from the good kids.

1. In the past out of 26 kids, there are approximately 8 that behave really well. If the other 18 are playing up, the whole class has been punished. This really annoyed me.

I could go on and I think I have answered my own question seeing it in black and white but would still appreciate your comments.

Thanks fifties x

PJs are just clothes, the cover you up don't they?

I agree usual.

Amber Leaf - I used to work as an Education Welfare Officer and there were LOTS of families who were 4th and 5th generation unemployed. It really is hard trying to get children in those families to take school seriously.

OP - I would move him if you don't think he will be able to reach his full potential there because the teachers are focused on other things.

Of course, the reason it's so hard to get kids from "those families" to take school seriously, is because people take such a dim view of their family's situation that they've almost written the kids off before they've reached secondary school.

YANBU.

Plus, there is nothing wrong with a bit of snobbery do what's best for your son and ignore all the pathetic, bitchy comments made by women who clearly have nothing better to do.

Someone clearly didn't bother to read the thread but stuck a snooty nose in. Ya Godda Luv it!

If you are indeed referring to me, I read the whole thread.

I wouldn't worry about the sleep wear wearing but I would worry about the bad behavior in class. It sounds awful to the point that is must really distract from his education. I'd move him in a shot. Look round more schools. ring up ones in really nice areas too as they might have space. .

Theres quite a lot wrong with looking down on people IMO, or did you think that snobbery meant something else?

Are you on the gin then?

When people do things that could possibly warrant looking down on why would anyone with higher standards view at eye level?

I'm not saying snobbery for the sake of it is acceptable, just that sometimes it doesn't hurt to have a view which is seen as snobby.

Damsel- I wish!

Pleasantlysurprised - "the reason it's so hard to get kids from "those families" to take school seriously, is because people take such a dim view of their family's situation that they've almost written the kids off before they've reached secondary school".

I'm not making any judgement on people who are fourth/fifth generation unemployed. Just stating the fact that as school is only a fraction of most primary school children's lives and as at that age their main influence comes from the home, then it is difficult to get children to understand the value of school if they don't know anyone it has made a difference to.

I think you should move him OP. The fact that he plays alone to keep out of trouble is really sad for him. He would be better off in a school with more like-minded (less troublesome) children.

And for those who think it's ok to go out dressed in your nightclothes - have you no self-respect? It just smacks of laziness. I don't work, but I still want to look half-decent on the school run.

And I hate to hear adults swearing around children too. It shows a lack of respect. And vocabulary.

Poor education is certainly a reason to look for another school. Judging other parents by their attire is not cool. I wonder what you would make of me. I often can't be arsed to pull on my clothes in the morning. I have four children to wake up, make breakfast, and do the school run. I happen to hold nursing degree, a social worker degree, and speak three languages. I can guarantee my great great grandfather held a job. Do you ever wonder how people judge you?

BorisJohnsonsHair, now you didn't read the thread did you? If you did you would see that the people in their PJs don't need judging but need help. But ignore all those posts and jump on your high horse with the rest of the snobs. Ok?

I would love to see some of these snobs in real life! I bet they're not all they make out that they are. I've learned that from another forum when meeting the members.

Im going to put in out their.. Here we go.

When i can drop my DD off at Nursery (she starts september at 1 year old) I am going to drop her off in my Jogging pants and a hoodie. I am not un employed, but having to get myself ready and my DD before half past seven is too much for me. So i then plan to go home and get ready.

I clearly am an awful person!

I like Mumsnet but some of the replies on this thread make me want to scream! People who accuse the op of snobbery yet can't seem to believe there is such thing as 4th generation unemployment . I also doubt very much they would be happy with their children in this school.

Never mind lets critise the ops spelling because we are oh so clever and superior!

I grew up in agood working class family with a great work ethic I tried hard at school and stood out as different to others who's parents grandparents and so on were unemployed,the children had no ambitionand you are swimming against the tide!

In high school I particularly tried to fail to fit in do you want that for your child, no one would want it.

The pj wearing parents show a complete lack of respect for society tbh and it is showing a really bad example to there children.

YANBU op or a snob you sound like a decent person who wants your child to do well without feeling like the odd one out. Surely no one on Mumsnet can disagree with that for all their bluster!

It's so weird to me. The education and well being of your child is a matter of concern. The attire of other parents, should be of no concern to you..
I happen to think I look adorable in my paw print jams..

Poor education is certainly a reason to look for another school. Judging other parents by their attire is not cool. I wonder what you would make of me. I often can't be arsed to pull on my clothes in the morning. I have four children to wake up, make breakfast, and do the school run. I happen to hold nursing degree, a social worker degree, and speak three languages. I can guarantee my great great grandfather held a job. Do you ever wonder how people judge you?

So your reason for not dressing yourself is your being lazy...

Jesus fecking christ...

People with sprayed hair, made up with in an inch of their lives, teetering on sky high heels, that early in the give me the willies..

Oh & i am a Fashion Designer/student so i know all about the impact of what you wear has on society.

So their.

I don't care what other parents thought of me at the school gates.

The only reason I did the school run was to get my kids to school, not to impress Mrs Boden

Yup..but when you come into my emergency department I will give the best care possible, even if I find you to be a wretched snobby bore..

I always thought those mums dressed to the nines were hookers just come off duty