Young Earth Creationists? Really believe it? Really?

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Cant believe that anyone actually thinks that the earth was created by a god 6000 years ago!

I have to agree with Richard Dawkins who said they are either ignorant, stupid or insane.

If you do believe it, explain dinosaurs!

I dont mock others for who they are, what they are or their beliefs either, so that's probably why I would never start a thread like this.

you seem to be equating confronting someons ideas head on with talking about them elsewhere, as well as confusing the abstract with the personal. OP is talking about a large group of people, not one particular person who they intend on personally haranguing.

Oh and that includes scientologists, I have a lot of friends who are scientologists.

I don't mock people for their beliefs, either, even if I privately think that they are mental (Scientology, David Icke, people who use "therapies" like radionics). It's very unpleasant to get a kick our of humiliating people.

OP and others, why don't you have a look at the Answers in Genesis site that I linked to earlier on. it explains what and Why Young Earthers believe what they do. They even have books, DVDs and things that go into things very deeply.

Of course people are going to take it personal if you imply they are stupid, insane or ignorant, and I'm not even of that belief!! I'm just fed up listening to others bash other peoples beliefs on here, its like the playground all over again.

Miss Oh no, I don't think the OP is personally haranguing anyone - and certainly not me!

But I suppose what I am saying is that it is personaly, ultimately, to post this sort of thing. Because CHristians or Muslims or Scientologists are not an abstract 'other' , they are people. Conflicted, perhaps wrong about stuff, possibly kind, possibly not: but people.

In precisely the same way that an 'abstract' post about (for eg, to quote recent examples) refusing to move so that a wheelchair user can get on a bus can become personal as soon as someone with personal experience of these matters reads it. Does that make sense?

Oh and missrepresentation that last post made no sense btw.

lots of cult members as friends?

fact that evolution actually fits with the Genesis account very well

No, it doesn't.

Genesis says that the order of creation was:

1. Plants on the land
2. Sealife
3. Birds
4. Land animals
5. Humans

Note also that Genesis says the sun, moon and stars weren't created until after there were plants.

Fossil evidence shows that the order of evolution was:

1. Sealife
2. Plants on the land
3. Land animals
4. Birds
5. Humans

So, other than Genesis and evolution both say that humans came last, the Bible got it pretty wrong.

You've lost me now, mate!

(That was to Miss).

IT didn't? Do you want me to explain it to you?

You know how if you stand and look out at the world, you can't see forever even if there is nothing in the way? Thats how you can tell the curvature of the world. That and the differences in stars in different places, and quite a few other things. Texts from 5000 bce state the world was round, and it was known before that. Although technically its not round, its an oblate spheroid.

Individuals are people, but groups of people you don't know, are in the abstract. You personalise it because you feel it relates to you, that doesn't mean everyone else has to care how it personally matters to you. they can talk in the abstract if they wish.

People talk and disagree and deride ideas all the time. Its just religious types that somehow feel they need to be protected. I've always thought people who complain about others mocking their beliefs must have a very weak faith to be so insecure about it.

Answers in Genesis is such a frustrating website. It's so full of disinformation, misrepresentation and half-truths that it would take years to fully pick it apart. It seems so reasonable that people can easily be taken in.

Yes I do actually, and they are nice people, I don't care if they think we are aliens, or where we came from, who cares, if they believe that then fair enough.

Let's be careful not to fall into the trap of reserving freedom of speech only for those who are in favour of religion.

And Lentilly, what on earth are the OP's "bloody unbelievable views"?

Oh and Miss, king David writing in psalms talked about the world being a globe.

Hmm. I sense you and I are not destined to reach any sort of accord, Miss!

And you are of course quite right, both about oblate spheroids (something about which my Creationist father taught me, incidentally!), and about the fact that you needn't give one hoot, never mind two, about how others might feel. But that doesn't mean a little gentle hippy-Christian pleading for being Nice and Tolerant wouldn't go amiss, here and there. Chacon a son gout and all that, and my gout just happens to be trying not to cause offence.

Now excuse me while I go and skip among daisies &c. &c.

Grahamtribe, if the OP had been less mocking in tone then perhaps offence wouldn't have been caused. Instead of just asking why do people believe it, I don't and here's why, instead of implying that those who do are ignorant just because the OP doesn't agree.

Tango, we already have a lesson in schools that is just right for teaching religious creation stories. It's called "RE". Creationism isn't science, it's a religious belief that has no credible evidence backing it up.

The word "theory" has a very specific meaning in science that you are misunderstanding. Evolution is a scientific theory that has a mountain of evidence, from fossil records to DNA to observation, that backs it up.

Didn't science think the world was flat for hundreds of years?
No, it didn't. The earth has been known to be round since the time of the ancient greeks.

Graham - before I go and skip among daisies - you are so right! And I would never dream of (for instance) reporting this thread or preventing debate and whatnot. One step from there to book burning, innit!

I think there are ways and means of debate, 'tis all, and that pointing and laughing in addition to being a bit playground is also probably not the most efficient route to a productive discussion.

Tango - all that 'David' writing about the world being a globe tells you is that the Bible incorporates some of the scientific knowledge of its human writers. It also incorporates a lot of stuff which has turned out to be wrong. As do scientific texts of the time.

Why do people not see that regarding views as bonkers need not be a personal attack? It is the views, not the person which is being attacked.

MissRepresentation - you're making perfect sense to me.

Tango, since a great deal of the bible is either parable, story, totally invented, makes no sense at all, even if King David wrote in psalms, its not a real historical record. But it still helps prove my point, since it means that the everyday people who actually wrote the texts understood the world was not flat.Pretty much everyone did.

Jodie, again very well put.

"Grahamtribe, if the OP had been less mocking in tone then perhaps offence wouldn't have been caused. Instead of just asking why do people believe it, I don't and here's why, instead of implying that those who do are ignorant just because the OP doesn't agree."

But that kinda sums up what I'm saying, Tango. The OP's expressed her opinion. She's just as much right to do that as anyone who has a faith. Yes, she's caused offence but that's life, she's still entitled to express her views just as those with faith are entitled to express theirs and their opinion of her stance and attitude. And I still want to know what her bloody unbelievable views are!