to want more advice! more traffic here. my dd is 10, started periods 3 months ago at 9. Has had ten days of severe cramps but no bleed.

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her first period was 10 days of heavy bleed, clots, the lot, with the same pain.

the next two were lovely normal periods, 28 day ones. No Ponstan or painkillers(Mefanimec acid) required.

Was taking the Ponstan when these pains began as they were so bad (this is day 41 ish), later told by 2nd gp we saw a week ago, this in itself may have stopped the bleed. Stopped the Ponstan one week ago, but same cramps and still no bleed.

Pain is crippling at night, at bedtime and i have had to lie down with her for ten nights now to soothe her to sleep. Has had every painkiller going to no avail.

How can there not be any blood. Where has it gone??!!

Sorry to post here, but i thought there would be lots of ladies out there who may have had this type of period, or irregular cycles, with no bleed just pain, to help me understand that part. thanksx

Have heard from friend I asked her about her dds pain "On and off from November/December - operated on 20th jan. We went backwards and forwards for about 3 week? Pretty much the same pattern as the appendicitis."

'although I've never heard of it in someone so young there's no reason why not if she's started her periods.'

I was looking up some endometriosis research lately on PubMed and am pretty sure I saw an article about the fact that the youngest recorded and histologically proven (via lap) case of endo is in an 8yo. Scary stuff. I can easily believe that there are girls of the same age with painful cysts. Hope your DD finally gets some relief once you've got to a gynaecologist. GPs are, to be honest, often not much good for things like this.

Yes agree with other posters - do go to A&E in morning.
Waiting times are a PITA, & so are attitudes - i visited my Nan who'd been blue-lighted into A&E (during my night shift while working as a nurse on a ward!).
The sight of my uniform irritated one of the nurses who demanded to know why i was in A&E; I was polite & diplomatic; explained i was on my break from the ward; but that made no difference to the girl's attitude. I was horrified to learn that in the morning she was still in her wet nightie after 6 hours - i'd stupidly assumed that when i went back to finish my shift, she would be given a quick wash & fresh gown at least.

BUT those things are a necessary evil to put up with to get the medical treatment that your daughter definitely needs. Just take plenty of magazines etc for you & your daughter. I'm not sure if it wouldn't be a good idea to make your daughter 'nil by mouth' in case she needs an op - depends how faint she gets when hungry.

Remember you are also entitled to see another GP.
Good luck, hope it all works out :)

morning ladies, and thankyou. Latara, it is astonishing that you were dealt with hostility like this. Yet also it does not surprise me. It's a shame. All my dealings with my hospital have been similar. I am a person who asks questions, yes, but not rude or disrespectful. You have to learn to play the game, unfortunately don't you. No one who goes into a hospital feels very empowered, in the circs, and to top it all you are in a situation where you are someone in need.

I will ring the surgery at 8 when they open, not sure why i am doing so, i guess i want to speak to any doc to get the 'ok' to go, or at least they will know i am not satisfied and am making this decision to go by the time I have finished my convo.

pirate I feel for you so much, when my DD had problems she was told it was because she ate too much and was given acid inhibitors (PPIs) for her stomach. Some months down the line and with a fabulous paediatrician we have found out she has a very rare condition. Even the fab paed hadn't heard of it, but was willing to listen, do some research etc and we are currently waiting to be referred to a specialist in London. My point is, I knew it was wrong, I knew something wasn't right. DD has cysts on her ovaries (although that's not the rare condition) and this began when she was 10. Your DD needs an urgent ultrasound - and I agree you might be able to get that through A&E if GP is fobbing you off.

Keep fighting for your DD - do they have a paediatric centre near you? E.g. my hospital has a Children's Centre in a smaller building at the back, everyone under 16 goes there so it makes it simpler to get "right through" care from referral to treatment.

Will be waiting to hear how you got on, big hug don't care who sees.

Your poor little girl. I've got a 10 year old and it makes me fill up even thinking of her in such pain so you must be going through hell.

Good on you for fighting for her and I really hope she can get some relief soon.

Hope some progress has been made today.

Update for you lovely lot.
Different hospital we are situated map wise between two, each on hours away. brilliant. never going to the other again.

Had to push for it, and do a cry at one point (frustration). Gp there passed us on to a+E, they passed us on to a junior doc, who was going to send us away with a view to a scan within 2 weeks. I cried, and asked to speak to her senior, who assessed, did some phone calls and we eventually went up and got admitted to the ward.

Gynae examined her, and arranged the ultrasound for the morning.
At home now. If the scan shows nothing, which is what we want then this will be down to her not ovulating yet, or this cycle, and so the hormone this cycle hasn't kicked in to make her 'shed'. So she's getting all the pains, but there is nothing there to shed. It took 8 hours but we got somewhere. PLus apologies all round for the waiting, ( i kept saying it's no bother!) and nice staff.

Good news that Gynae saw her and have booked her in for an ultrasound and the general staff seem well supportive and helpful!!

So glad you are getting somewhere, good luck for the morning

at last, what a bloody nightmare just for an ultrasound. Very well done to you and DD for putting up with all that, hope they get to the bottom of it tomorrow. We'll all be waiting to hear.

Glad you are getting somewhere.

great.

I really feel for your dd, i remember putting myself to the point of being sick from painkillers on the walk home from school and curling up in the park with pain. My periods settled down eventually but it was when I went on the pill

Im so sorry your dd is having a hard time

Yay, glad to hear she's getting help now.. hope your DD soon feels a lot better.

I've got my fingers crossed for you both x

right off to bed, have an early start, thankyou thankyou xx

How did you get on?

I'm here too, hope you got some answers!

hi there. came in this morn early for the ultrasound. Unprepared too, ie we didn't have any bags packed, which isn't good when you have a two hour round trip.

They told us this afternoon they want to keep her in for an Mri, as one of her ovaries is very big. and is prob causing the pain. i saw it on the scan and it was about 4 times the size of the other one. So went back home to get our gear, and are here now waiting for a slot.
On the up side, her pain is really improving.

oh, and to the person who accused my dd of being a drama queen and just wanting hugs of mummy. up yours.

Oh piratecat is the MRI booked for tomorrow then?

Have they said what can cause enlarged ovaries? Your poor dd it must hurt so much.

Glad to hear she's been sorted out now, it sounds like it's been a nightmare!

Well done, OP, on making sure she was seen. The enlarged ovary must have been causing your DD huge amounts of pain.

And

"oh, and to the person who accused my dd of being a drama queen and just wanting hugs of mummy. up yours"

Well said!

Your poor dd :( I really hope the MRI shows a problem that can be easily and quickly sorted.

I just want to say what an absolutely brilliant mum you sound, for never doubting your daughter's pain, for doing everything you could to get answers for her, and especially for not allowing the hospital to fob her off for two more weeks of agony while she waited for an ultrasound.

for you - you are just the kind of parent that every kid should have in her/his corner.

Oh the poor little podling!

Well done, you, for being a brilliant mum!