to want more advice! more traffic here. my dd is 10, started periods 3 months ago at 9. Has had ten days of severe cramps but no bleed.

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her first period was 10 days of heavy bleed, clots, the lot, with the same pain.

the next two were lovely normal periods, 28 day ones. No Ponstan or painkillers(Mefanimec acid) required.

Was taking the Ponstan when these pains began as they were so bad (this is day 41 ish), later told by 2nd gp we saw a week ago, this in itself may have stopped the bleed. Stopped the Ponstan one week ago, but same cramps and still no bleed.

Pain is crippling at night, at bedtime and i have had to lie down with her for ten nights now to soothe her to sleep. Has had every painkiller going to no avail.

How can there not be any blood. Where has it gone??!!

Sorry to post here, but i thought there would be lots of ladies out there who may have had this type of period, or irregular cycles, with no bleed just pain, to help me understand that part. thanksx

Randomess, did they see the cyst on a scan before they operated, prob a daft question, but then they were surprised at the size?

I can't remember and I'm not at work to ask my friend, I seem to recall they weren't sure and yes they were surprised at the size when they went, something about they didn't pick it up on all the inititial scans and xrays (not surprising with that bit though) but did finally this was days after trotting back and forth to A&E because she was in agony by the end and nothing was touching the pain. I can't remember if she'd actually started her periods then or perhaps just had one or 2.

same here, absolutely nothing has touched the pain. i will stress that today. thankyou .

Definetly go to the GP. Take a urine sample with you if possible to ruile out a UTI while you're there.

I get bad UTIs and the only symptoms I get with it are cramps/abdo pain. Pain is always worse at night.

Though I think most people get the burning pain when they wee as well. So it probably isn't.

Hope its sorted soon.

Hiya its normal or not unusual for girls not to have regular period every month a GP told us it can take years for them to regulate, I take ponstan myself to settle flow and for pain and it works , if you are worried take her back to the gp

hi viva, we did a urine sample last week, all clear. no burning. i understand that things don't always show up on the go test tho. Will also get results of swab today.

thankyou.x

thanks, it's just the pain that is so severe but no flow. i understand her not being regular. thanks.

can't wait to go back there today, i have renewed energy from you ladies.

I know My eldest had horrible cramps and would sometimes faint bless her good luck today x

I would honeestly take the attitude of, "she is very very severe pain, I want anything serious that could be causing it ruled out, if it's a possibility of something like a cyst that could burst and affect her fertility then you will have failed her. If we rule everything out then we can just focus on trying to control the pain"

I friend of mine suffered horrifically all her life (passed out with the pain), had always told the specialists what her periods were like when they sought fertility treatmet. She saw a new specialist who did a little op to have a look before their 2nd and final chance of IVF on the NHS as she was now 39. He was horrified she was a complete mess inside was in surgery for hours as they cleaned her uterus etc up, he looked at her notes and couldn't apologise enough for how her obvious symptoms had been ignored for 2 decades! They conceived on the next round of IVF and I really think they may conceive naturally as now her womb in a suitable state to actually implant and grow a baby!

My point really is that level of pain is not normal and needs investigating - it could be anything.

As i said before - that level of pain, for that long, isn't normal at all.

I've had friends with cysts, endometriosis, twisted bowels, appendicitis - it really could be just anything but definitely needs investigation asap.

Forget worrying about school, blood flow (period may be due but that could be a red herring, who knows?).

Just get her to A&E if can't see GP by early PM - insist on scan / abdo XRAY - could be something that can wait for treatment, could be nothing serious at all, could be an emergency... get it investigated today please.

(Sorry for being bossy)

I hate to be the first to mention this, but from previous experience, I would definitely get her to do a pregnancy test as well.

Ectopic pregnancies (more common in very young girls) can cause the kinds of symptoms you've listed, and at about this time (shortly after period is due). They really need to be caught as soon as possible, and a cheap pregnancy stick from the pharmacy can make all the difference.

Sounds horrific to even think it, but sadly it does happen, even if the parents have no idea and/or the child absolutely denies anything happening.

um, i understand, but she is 10! doesn't go anywhere, doesn't hang out anywhere with kids, we live in a rural area.

latara, will do. no worries.!

If she ever spends time with any males at all, including family friends, relatives (and yes, sadly even brothers/father), I would check.

I'm really sorry as I know it really does sound awful, however it is from bitter experience (my father in my case). And no, my mother never knew.

Ectopics can be fatal if not caught early, and its a simple test (she doesn't even have to know what you're checking, just get her to wee in a container and dipstick it like you would when checking for UTI).

Good luck with the GP pirate

She need a thorough exam to ensure it is actually gynae related pain.

I too started periods at 9, ridiculous 14 day heavy ones when they liked and pain on and off......diagnosed PCOS at 25.

I started mine when I was 9 and it terrified me. I can remember them being far from regular and very painful - far more painful than the 'little bit of a tummy ache' my teacher told us about in sex ed. As someone who has spent the 13 years since back and forth to the doctor/gynae/nurse in an attempt to stop them I would suggest taking her to the doctor to:

1. Check that there is nothing going on - PCOS/Endo - and in turn reassure your DD that what is happening to her is normal. If she's anything like I was she may be putting on a brave face but inside may be imagining all the horrible things that are wrong with her - number one on my mental list when I was 9 was cancer.

1. Talk to the doctor about more effective pain management.

1. If the doctor suggest the pill etc. - as mine did - as a way of giving your daughter back part of her childhood, don't baulk at the idea, as my mother did.

I don't wish to worry you but if this post stops only one child going through the years of distress and pain that I did then it doesn't really matter if a parent gets made a little bit uncomfortable.

Hi piratecat, sorry your daughter is having such a bad time. She has my sympathies - I started my bastard periods at 9, used to soak a night time pad in about an hour, lasted up to 6 weeks, horrid cramps etc etc.

My gp referred me to obs&gynae, no paediatric gynae in them days! Apparently I had anovulatary (sp) periods - no egg, hence why they were all over the place. I was on (at various times) the pill, ponstan, iron tablets but eventually had a d&c under ga, sounds pretty extreme and I have no idea re the medical thinking behind this. It did stop my periods for about 2 years tho! After they resumed still v heavy and irregular with bad cramps.

I agree with previous posters re getting your daughter referred to obs & gynae and not to bother with the pill. Gp can do a full hormone screen and should check her iron too as a baseline.

Have you tried heat packs for her? Either a wheat bag heated on the microwave or one of the thermacare type ones with a stretchy belt? Heat is one of the few things I found reduced the soreness of cramps. Also I'd try giving her the dose of Buscopan that a12 yr old could have as a one off dose to see if that helps as she may be too big for a paediatric dose. If it does help, go back to your gp.

Hth.

Just back, we are on the urgent waiting list for an ultrasound. Could take a week. As no meds have helped, gp suggested accupuncture, or a trip to the health food shop. Health food shop won't give anything for periods to us because of her age. Agnus castus etc.. not licensed. Have been recommended a Kinesiologist by lady in health food shop. So have left message for her. Fingers crossed we get the ultrasound and a clear result from that.

hi on the male front, she doesn't have a dad, doesn't see here grandfather (his chaoice) and no siblings. Most of her free time is spent on the Wii or drawing Pokemon and cats! No siblings, no boys, no boys who come to our home.

I just know she isn't in any situation alone with a male. Only school friends at school. I am very sorry for your situation. x

MIssustulip, sorry just reading thru. My sympathies to you.

Has had a wheat heat pack permanently on her tummy for days now.

Gp has said the hospital won't be able to give any better pain management than she can.

May give the Ponstan another go tho. She said nothing about reffering to a gynae, altho maybe that will happen thru what comes form the ultrasound??

Here is an alternative view to throw into the ring... feel free to flame me!

Any chance she is a bit of a drama queen and is enjoying the attention of mum laying with her night after night?

Just a thought..

lol ok. she's coped really well with her last two periods, done all the sanitary towel changing in school, inbetween lessons, avoided questions from chums.

Has regulated any need for pain killers, gauging how bad she feels, and hasn't bothered going to the school office if it was cop-able, as she knows it's best not to take them if she can cope. A few days before her period or lack of she was hill walking, bright and breezy.

So no i don't think she's making it up. thanks.

have you thought about TENs for her pain (while you await the US and figuring out what is causing all the pain)?