to think that people who choose to have more children whilst living in social housing shouldn't expect to be given a bigger place?

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I am a member of another pregnancy forum and there is a woman there who has just had her 5th child (by choice). Neither her nor her partner work and she is complaining that the council will not giver them a bigger house (she is in a 3 bed). All the other members are sympathising with her but I don't understand why. Surely if you choose to have a child when you know your home is not big enough, you shouldn't expect the council to give you a bigger one, especially when it is sought after subsidised housing?

I too am pro-Henry,anti-Dyson. A Henry has so much more personality. The Dyson we have now sits there in the corner, boring insolent fucker that it is. Whereas Henry was always a pleasure to have around with his cheery smile.

I named the Dyson (I called it Mike, Mike Dyson, geddit? geddit?) but it hasn't helped. Still as bland as cold mash potato.

You are not selling them very well MrsDeVere

The OP fucked off days ago

We had a dyson at work once, i drew a pair of eyes on it and called it dolly - she still had no suck on her

I live in small 2 bedroom house with 2 dd's, I always thought it would be nice to have a bigger house but actually I now realise I am lucky to even have a roof over my head.

I work in the community and went to visit a family who lived in one bed tiny tiny bedsit, mum and dad in small single person bedroom and 4 teenage children crammed into a tiny lounge (2 boys and 2 girls). I lost sleep over feeling so sorry for them, both parents worked and they said it was all they could afford private renting .
I will never complain that I would like more room again.

Long term plan is dd's have a bedroom each (they will prob need to live with me forever due to housing situation in England) and I sleep in lounge on sofa bed. Not ideal but a darn site better than some of the situations I have seen.

If dd's are able to move out then I hope that I will downsize and let a family have my house that I was lucky enough to have to raise my family in.

doggie yeah but I have the same affect on clocks. None of them work and I have loads in the house. They just sort of give up after a few weeks.
And clocks have remained popular I believe.

So dont go by my experience. I am not giving up, I WILL find my perfect steam mop.

This is very useful information MrsDV :) This thread has not been a total waste of my time

Glad to have been of help. At least I know that my part finished degree has not been for nuffink.

ComposHat - such a shame you're not bright enough to come up with anything more than that!

I am in love with my Hetty - she smiles and she does marvellous job. She is in place of the cleaner which I am really entitled to - ENTITLED TO I tell ya! Bloody Govt making all these cuts - no way should I have to do my own cleaning! How am I meant to find time in between buying fags n booze, watching the flat screen and trying to decide where my next holiday will be.

Oh touché ilove
Oh no wait...I meant something else

You have what you can afford, if you are in social housing and on benefits, you cannot afford to have an army of children. It's about self responsibility and living within your means

ComposHat - such a shame you're not bright enough to come up with anything more than that!

I bet Dorothy Parker and Oscar Wilde would be shitting themselves with you about berries

Still brighter than you mind.

I think iloveberries and missghoul went to the same university

piglet no one would disagree with you there - i think what "gets peoples goats" is the assumption that anyone in social housing and/or on benefits is a scrounger who pops out babies at leisure. When anyone with an inkling of social awareness would know that is utter crap.

So being as nobody else is piglet are you going to tell me because I live in social housing I shouldn't have any more children?

piglet - i completely agree with you. having a 5th child by choice when you can't afford the 4 you already have is completely selfish and unfair on your existing children.

If you can't afford lots of children, why should someone else have to pay for you to have that? absurd IMO.

aaah, ComposHat - what a delightful person you seem to be.
I don't intend to start comparing who is brighter than who. I am pretty confident in my own abilities, achievements and what I, and I alone have made of my life. I hope you feel the same about yours..... out of interest though, what is your PHD in?!

"So being as nobody else is piglet are you going to tell me because I live in social housing I shouldn't have any more children"

I dont think its the social housing part piglet meant but more people should be responsible for the financing of any children they choose to have. If the current house is too small then they would need the means to rent a bigger place the same as anybody with a mortgage or private rent would.

"You have what you can afford" - I totally agree but many dont on here and believe everybody should have the number they like even if they do so knowing the state will be paying for them. Hence the current crackdown on benefits as its no longer a safety net but a lifestyle choice.

I would have the means to rent bigger. A bigger council house. I would never afford my own or private rented.

It's nothing about being nasty and horrid to those on benefits, it's all about being an adult and being responsible. I am afraid that those who are on benefits get a bad press from shows like Jeremy Vile and Jerry Springer, those are the extreme, obviously not everybody is like that

berries, i think you'll find is PhD lovey - what is yours in?

Last night i thought this thread was mildly amusing, but now i actually think its vile and showing some of you up to be, well, not very nice. I absolutely agree with piglets senitment in a perfect world, but we all know that life isn't like that. People end up in social housing for a plethora of reasons and yes some of the don't work, never work and have lots of children - some, not all, and the some are a minority. Out of that group there will be a good proportion that have levels of learning difficulties and limited social awareness. There will be people who had an upbringing that means that they now don't know any different. But you lot make yourselves feel better about your smug little lives if it makes you feel better to judge other people, fine. We live in rocky economic times, I genuinely hope that the rug isn't pulled from under you and you find yourself turning to the state to draw from the pool that is available for people to draw from when they are in trouble, because you are going to be mortified knowing that there will be folk thinking you are the scum of the earth.

No one can stop those in council houses or on benefits having more children, but surely having more children when you already rely on the state/taxpayers to subsidise you is not good for anyone? Instead of having more children, perhaps organise your life so you can pay for those you already have?

Social housing is a priviledge, I dread to think what it would be like without, basically as long as the dwelling is safe, clean and habitable one should be happy and grateful. You should take personable responsibility not to have more children, if it means you will be cramped and your existing children will suffer

Doggiemumma, there is a huge difference between conceiving a child/children knowing you are going to claim and falling on hard times and needing a safety net for a few months inbetween jobs. Conceiving and expecting a larger house to be given to you is sheer madness.

I dont think its "smug" to believe that parents should support their own children.