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AIBU to not want my ILs to control our finances?

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SweetChilliSauce · 01/06/2012 22:00

This is my first ever post so please bear with me if you can ? apologies for the length but I?m trying to avoid drip feeding.

DP?s parents own two houses. The house they live in (DP?s childhood home) and the house that belonged to DP?s grandmother, which they inherited when she sadly passed away a number of years ago. DP?s grandmother?s house has been in their family for around 100 years so it is owned outright ? no mortgage. The house had been empty since she died.

When DP and I found out we were expecting DS, his parents were incredibly generous and offered us the opportunity to move in to the empty house and live there for 5 years, rent free. This was, they said, to give us a chance to save for a mortgage, and not be under financial pressure to have both of us working full time whilst DS was little. We knew that this was an amazing opportunity and very kind of them, and we gratefully accepted. We have been here for nearly two years now.

The house was in need of a substantial amount of work, but we were more than happy to put in the time and the money to make a home for ourselves and give ourselves a chance to pay off debt / save when the work was done. In financial terms, the project cost us around the same as what we would have paid in rent for a year, and I worked hard renovating the house both whilst I was pregnant (we were trying to complete the work before the birth so I did this full time instead of working) and for some months after the birth. DP?s parents also contributed financially to the project, as did mine. We didn?t ask either sets of parents for this help, but they offered, and we were very thankful.

I am pretty good at handling finances, and have been looking after mine and DP?s budget and outgoings for quite a while (I do this because DP doesn?t want to, and I do enjoy a good spreadsheet(!) ? the arrangement works well enough for us). We have certainly had odd periods where we have overspent but we have learnt from them, and we?ve been on an even keel (paying off credit cards / overdrafts and saving money) for a good while now. We know how much we have to save in order to put down a deposit on a mortgage, and are working on target towards this. We are responsible and everything is budgeted for.

Recently, despite the original agreement under which we moved in, DP?s parents have told us that they now require us to pay them £100 a week, which they will ?look after? for us. They have said that they ?do not believe we will save for a mortgage if it is left to us?, and thus need to control the figure of £100 a week paid to them and have it resting in an account to which they and DP (not myself) have access, though DP is not to touch it without their say so.

I feel really uncomfortable with this arrangement. I could almost understand it if they were saying they had changed their mind and now wanted us to pay rent on the house (but would be a little Hmm as that wasn?t the agreement under which we moved in and carried out all the work), but the idea of someone other than DP and I controlling our savings does not sit well with me.

I think that our savings should be in our savings account. This is mostly because it is simply our money, but also because it leaves me in a financially vulnerable position if DP and I were to break up (which I hope to God never happens, and don?t foresee happening, but I guess nothing is ever certain) as none of the money would be in my name. DP and I have just always had ?our money? ? we?ve never been divisive.

I also think we should decide for ourselves how much we are saving, rather than having the figure dictated to us. At the end of the day, we're the ones that face the consequences if we frittered away our cash. We are currently putting away about £60-70 a week and we really are living on a shoe string to do so ? if we gave £100 a week to his parents we would have nothing left in the pot after bills to buy anything that wasn?t the weekly food shop, whether that was some babygrows for DS, a new workshirt for me, a haircut for DP, taking DS to the farm... everything. When I told my ILs they said we could ?ask? them for our money back to buy whatever the item was that we required.

I just don?t want to live like this. I know we are capable of just spending what we need and putting the rest into savings (not least because that's what we've been doing) ? I don?t want to go and have to ask my inlaws for our own money every time I need to buy myself some tights. I have tried to explained this to them but they don?t seem to see the problem. I certainly don?t want to have to ask their permission and for our own money if DP and I want to go out for dinner or something else that?s just for ?enjoyment? (FWIW we?ve been out for dinner once this year so far...).

This is really stressing me out and it?s starting to cause problems between DP and I. If I?d have know at the outset that in order to live in the house we?d have to let DP?s parents control our finances and savings then I?d have said thanks but no thanks ? it is just not a situation that I would be happy with under any circumstances. It feels really controlling and belittling.

AIBU to not want to do this? I think, really, that I would much rather we moved out and made a go of it on our own ? paying rent and saving for a mortgage at the same time like everyone else, even though it would obviously take longer. AIBU?

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AgentZigzag · 01/06/2012 22:21

OP says they've been there for two years tsc.

Would you still want to save if it was someone telling you it's what they expect you to do with your money tsc?

It's different if you've asked someone to help you out, or they offer and you take them up on it.

KatieMiddleton · 01/06/2012 22:21

YANBU. Fecking cheek of them!

I would move rather than live like that.

zzzzz · 01/06/2012 22:22

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BlueBirdsNest · 01/06/2012 22:22

Can you move out and you and your DP go it alone?

It sounds like they are trying to help but giving them money to be'kept' for you sounds like a disaster.

To me it looks like they are treating you both as children/teenagers.

LolaThePregnantFlyola · 01/06/2012 22:24

I think YANBU- but i am truly shocked you cannot save £100 weekly when you have no rent, i think you need to get some financial advise really because if they say 'well move out then' you are going to find it mighty hard renting and living.

It will not be a case of taking longer to save it will be never.

narmada · 01/06/2012 22:24

It sounds nuts and YANBU at all.

Just one thing tho - does your DP have a history of financial irresponsibility where his parents have had to bail him out? It may actually be him they are worried about if so. Just a thought.

lazymonkeyface · 01/06/2012 22:25

Sounds troubling. I think you all need to sit down and have a chat about this

SweetChilliSauce · 01/06/2012 22:27

The SecondComing The overdrafts are ones that we had prior to moving in, we're tackling them now that we're not paying for carpets, wallpaper, builders etc etc. And we're coming up to two years living here.

DP started off being quite rational and seemed to get where I was coming from, but now he is desperate to 'keep the peace and get them off our backs' and he is saying we should pay them. For me, our independence and autonomy rank above this. This is why it's starting to cause problems between the two of us :(.

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Greatauntirene · 01/06/2012 22:30

I would just tell PIL what you have said here. That you want money in a shared account in case of divorce, that you can't afford 100 a month - but that you will send them a copy of your savings account statement when it comes in to prove that you are saving.
You might have to set up a new account which you are happy for them to see but if they think you aren't saving and don't have an ulterior motive then this will put their minds at rest.

NarkedPuffin · 01/06/2012 22:31

The problem is, as well as the obvious control issues, there are threads on here frequently about broken promises from parents/ILs when it comes to housing arrangements and money. I'm sure you think they're 100% trustworthy and you're probably right, but I'm sure that the posters who've been on here dealing with the fallout of these kind of problems thought that too. There is always the risk that as some point they decide that the £100 was 'rent', or that (hopefully this will never happen) if you were to split up they might say it was rent and hand it over to your DH.

They're probably lovely people with good intentions but it is worth thinking about.

NarkedPuffin · 01/06/2012 22:33

It might also be worth doing a calculation as to how much you've spent on the house and showing them where your 'deposit' money has gone!

SweetChilliSauce · 01/06/2012 22:34

maybenow 'I read this that the OP is choosing to stay at home and be a SAHP to her young son BECAUSE they can live rent free. If they had to pay rent she would go back to work. '
Yes, this is exactly it.

narmada DP was pretty irresponsible financially when he was at university, and his parents had to bail him out. But that was a good while ago, before he and I were together, and before he had a full time job and a family! FIL at one point told me that this was the reason for imposing the 'we want to look after your savings' line (though he denied this when DP challenged him). I can't seem to get them to see that DP isn't that student any more Confused.

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TheSecondComing · 01/06/2012 22:37

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Mumsyblouse · 01/06/2012 22:39

This is extremely dodgy. For one thing, you have massively improved the value of their house, by working on it for a year, and for not taking a job so you could do so at least part-time. They are the only ones who will benefit from this in the long run, although it might be said you are benefitting in the short-term by having a nicer place, but it is way beyond what you would spend your time and energy and money on in a rented place. Secondly, they gave a 'gift' of a free place to stay, and have now decided it is conditional. I wouldn't want to stay under these circumstances, as it completely lacks trust.

I think you must be a bit worried though, as if you have to pay rent, it will be more than £100, but at least you won't have the control issue, or be continuing to plough money and energy into renovations on a house that isn't yours. In some ways, you are doing them the favour, as uninhabited and unrenovated houses are not as valuable as ones which are lived in and restored. They seem to have forgotten that they are doing quite well in this bargain.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 01/06/2012 22:40

It sounds like your dp is getting a lot of pressure from his parents and he thinks he's taking the easiest option by trying to get you to agree to this. But then that's easy for him to do when the money will still have his name attached to it. You might have an easier time convincing him if he starts to realise that his life becomes easier when he goes with his wife's 'side' over his parents'.

I have a friend who is in a simelar situation to yours, but she is incredibly laid back and is happy for her inlaws to save money for them. It's cultural for them though, and in the extremely unlikely event that they got divorced, she would be well taken care of financially.

KatieMiddleton · 01/06/2012 22:40

Are you married? If not there is no way on earth I'd be handing my cash over to my boyfriend's parents. Not that I would any way. If you're responsible enough to have a child then you're responsible enough to look after your own finances.

The implication at the moment is that your PIL do not trust you.

wimblehorse · 01/06/2012 22:41

YANBU
Your IL's should NOT have access to an account containing you and dp's savings and YOU should!
This would be non-negotiable for me.
I may agree to keep the piece to open a joint (you and dp) savngs account to put the $100 in and show your IL's the statements for as long as it takes them to back off.

They probably are trying to help, worried you are not saving enough to be financially independent with house deposit in 3 years. Not the way to do it.

Could you follow thru with ultimatum to move out if forced on it?

KatieMiddleton · 01/06/2012 22:42

Call ther bluff. I bet they back down.

AgentZigzag · 01/06/2012 22:42

'but that you will send them a copy of your savings account statement when it comes in to prove that you are saving.'

I wouldn't show my savings account statement to anyone, same goes for any other account or investment we've got (apart from for something official).

Start showing them statements and it gives them the idea that they're right and have some sort of say in your finances.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 01/06/2012 22:43

Is there any way the PILs would be pacified with seeing a copy of your bank statement for your savings account? Not that you should have to show them anything of course, but if showing the that you are saving enough by yourself would work in getting them to stop going on about it, it might be the lesser of two evils.

Mumsyblouse · 01/06/2012 22:43

Actually, as you are not married, this would be bonkers. You have had free rent, which was exchanged for your hard work on the property to renovate it. You are not going to personally benefit one bit from this unless you marry anyway, as you are saving towards things you cannot own (unless they changed the deeds to put you on it, highly unlikely).

ImperialBlether · 01/06/2012 22:45

How much have each of you, your parents and your ILs spent on your house whilst you've been living in it?

Do you get tax credits at the moment?

Bobyan · 01/06/2012 22:46

If you can't control your money, you can't control your life.

Don't do it.

suzikettles · 01/06/2012 22:53

I wonder if they feel you overspent on the renovations, and given dp's past financial difficulties they think you're continuing to overspend.

Of course it's none of their business if you do, but I guess they might worry that they have to let you live in the house rent free indefinitely if you never do get the money for a deposit together. Have you shared your spreadsheets and plans with them.

Also, are you married? If not, I'd be very, very reluctant to put my money into the hands of my "pils".

Finally though, what are your options, realistically? Tempting as it might be to tell them to stuff it, if you've got less than £100 per week spare and you're not paying rent then you'd be hard pushed to find somewhere else to live.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 01/06/2012 22:53

I only just realised you aren't married either. I would tell your dp that the only way you would even begin to consider doing something as ridiculous as handing money over to these people is if they were legally your in laws, and if that's not about to happen, then neither is their outrageous demand.

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